General Leafs Talk v2.0

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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2h
Among active players with 10+ shootout attempts, Bozak is the NHL's best shooter at 56%. JVR is eighth at 50%.

Knew Bozak was money in shootouts. Didn't realize he was the best-in-the-league.

Even when compared to the Flyer's Giroux?

Talking statistically, not creatively.

 

[Kin]

Good point ? they're missing a speedboat!  In fact, it's like the whole bunch of them are stuck on a slowboat.  To China!  A big old slow barge headed for China.

;D ;D ;D ;D :

Knock Knock. Who's there? The Future. The Future who? Exactly.

 

[bustaheims]

I mean, I appreciate the sarcasm but I do think it's pretty rare to see a team with two players of that type in their top 4.

Detroit did it fairly well with Lidstrom and Rafalski. Pittsburgh with Letang and Gonchar. It may not be something that a lot of teams are doing, but, it probably is something that they should be doing.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Detroit did it fairly well with Lidstrom and Rafalski. Pittsburgh with Letang and Gonchar. It may not be something that a lot of teams are doing, but, it probably is something that they should be doing.

I'm sure if teams had two players like Gardiner/Rielly more often then you'd see it more often.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm sure if teams had two players like Gardiner/Rielly more often then you'd see it more often.

Yeah, probably. I imagine it's more of a case of lacking that option than actively choosing not to. I mean, it's not like we see teams moving guys like Gardiner or Rielly all that frequently, either.

 

[Joe S.]

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "when I watch Rielly it reminds me of why we continue to talk about the possibility of a Gardiner trade"

Yeah, hate that NHL rule where teams aren't allowed to have two very good skating defencemen.

It's called the Neidermayer-Pronger rule. It's only allowed to happen to 1 team at a time.

Blake-Bourque
Neidermayer-Stevens
MacInnis-Pronger

And others that I can't think of right now to complete this joke.

Berg-Lumme

Cross-Klee

Which one was the time traveller that made this happen?

Sami Kapenen did it when he bent time

 

[Britishbulldog]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2h
Among active players with 10+ shootout attempts, Bozak is the NHL's best shooter at 56%. JVR is eighth at 50%.

Knew Bozak was money in shootouts. Didn't realize he was the best-in-the-league.

Even when compared to the Flyer's Giroux?

Talking statistically, not creatively.

Oh no!  Are you a Flyer fan too??

 

[Britishbulldog]

I'm sure if teams had two players like Gardiner/Rielly more often then you'd see it more often.

Yeah, probably. I imagine it's more of a case of lacking that option than actively choosing not to. I mean, it's not like we see teams moving guys like Gardiner or Rielly all that frequently, either.

I was thinking the Pens with Letang and Goligoski and they moved one for Neal.    I can't think of another similar situation though. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

A tidbit from the bottom of TLN's recap of the Buffalo game:

The Maple Leafs are now on pace for 103 points per 82 games in games they do not fight. They are on pace for 71 points per 82 games in games they do fight. Let's stop pretending Colt Knorr needs an everyday roster spot.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

A tidbit from the bottom of TLN's recap of the Buffalo game:

The Maple Leafs are now on pace for 103 points per 82 games in games they do not fight. They are on pace for 71 points per 82 games in games they do fight. Let's stop pretending Colt Knorr needs an everyday roster spot.

Well aside from the odd staged fight, or fight of passion, I'd imagine the majority of fights come when the team is down and needs a spark or are getting trounced and are trying to get even (physically).

Not that I'm a fan of Orr on the team.

 

[Kin]

Detroit did it fairly well with Lidstrom and Rafalski. Pittsburgh with Letang and Gonchar. It may not be something that a lot of teams are doing, but, it probably is something that they should be doing.

I don't know that I'd put Lidstrom in that category at all or, at least, he'd be the point at which that comparison struggles because Lidstrom was so good offensively and defensively that he'd fit in anywhere. If either Rielly or Gardiner became a Lidstrom type player(not as good necessarily, but a player with no holes in their game regardless of style) then I'd agree that one of them in the line-up in no way renders the other superfluous or excessive.

And I think, wisdom of the move aside, I think your Pittsburgh example does sort of speak to what I'm saying where Pittsburgh did sort of view Letang as an eventual Gonchar replacement which is why, as I recall, they were kind of lukewarm about bringing him back vs. adding other types of defensemen in Michalek and Martin.

 

[Stickytape]

A tidbit from the bottom of TLN's recap of the Buffalo game:

The Maple Leafs are now on pace for 103 points per 82 games in games they do not fight. They are on pace for 71 points per 82 games in games they do fight. Let's stop pretending Colt Knorr needs an everyday roster spot.

Well aside from the odd staged fight, or fight of passion, I'd imagine the majority of fights come when the team is down and needs a spark or are getting trounced and are trying to get even (physically).

Not that I'm a fan of Orr on the team.

I suppose the best measure would be to compare the team's performance in games prior to, vs after a fight.

I am way too lazy to even think about putting those numbers together, however.

 

[mr grieves]

A tidbit from the bottom of TLN's recap of the Buffalo game:

The Maple Leafs are now on pace for 103 points per 82 games in games they do not fight. They are on pace for 71 points per 82 games in games they do fight. Let's stop pretending Colt Knorr needs an everyday roster spot.

Well aside from the odd staged fight, or fight of passion, I'd imagine the majority of fights come when the team is down and needs a spark or are getting trounced and are trying to get even (physically).

Yeah, it's hardly evidence that not fighting will cause them win. But that number does suggest that fighting doesn't cause any useful sort of "spark" when they're down -- 71 points isn't very good.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Detroit did it fairly well with Lidstrom and Rafalski. Pittsburgh with Letang and Gonchar. It may not be something that a lot of teams are doing, but, it probably is something that they should be doing.

I don't know that I'd put Lidstrom in that category at all or, at least, he'd be the point at which that comparison struggles because Lidstrom was so good offensively and defensively that he'd fit in anywhere. If either Rielly or Gardiner became a Lidstrom type player(not as good necessarily, but a player with no holes in their game regardless of style) then I'd agree that one of them in the line-up in no way renders the other superfluous or excessive.

Forget Rafalski and Lidstrom then, and consider Rafalski and Niedermayer.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

A tidbit from the bottom of TLN's recap of the Buffalo game:

The Maple Leafs are now on pace for 103 points per 82 games in games they do not fight. They are on pace for 71 points per 82 games in games they do fight. Let's stop pretending Colt Knorr needs an everyday roster spot.

Anybody have quick and easy numbers for the Leafs record with 1) Orr, 2) McLaren, and 3) Orr/McLaren in the lineup?

 

[Kin]

Forget Rafalski and Lidstrom then, and consider Rafalski and Niedermayer.

I'd say Niedermayer fits pretty squarely into the good at everything sort I mean though. Like I said, if one or both develops into HOF types my comment loses it's legs, no argument here.

 

[Champ Kind]

A tidbit from the bottom of TLN's recap of the Buffalo game:

The Maple Leafs are now on pace for 103 points per 82 games in games they do not fight. They are on pace for 71 points per 82 games in games they do fight. Let's stop pretending Colt Knorr needs an everyday roster spot.

Anybody have quick and easy numbers for the Leafs record with 1) Orr, 2) McLaren, and 3) Orr/McLaren in the lineup?

LOL Knorr

 

[Frank E]

What's the consensus on Gleason? 

Mainly, just an upgrade on Fraser?

 

[Tigger]

What's the consensus on Gleason? 

Mainly, just an upgrade on Fraser?

He's been physical and seems to skate ok, blocks shots and can pass, I'd say an upgrade on Fraser at a bare minimum so far.

 

[Frank E]

What's the consensus on Gleason? 

Mainly, just an upgrade on Fraser?

He's been physical and seems to skate ok, blocks shots and can pass, I'd say an upgrade on Fraser at a bare minimum so far.

Yeah, I agree, he's been alright.

Not $4mil alright, but still not bad.