Goaltending conundrum
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Coderaspberry
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digdug said:
Because common sense dictates that you don't throw rookie goalies into the middle of a hectic playoff drive with a ton of pressure on their shoulders. If they play their way into it, like Reimer did, then fine, but barring some sort of awful injury emergency, it's probably better for them and for the organization not to put that on them.
I understand the desire to see what either can do, but desperately looking for saviors at any position isn't really the best course of action.
bustaheims
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mirtle: Ron Wilson won't name his starter for tomorrow. Adds that a goalie won't be called up from the minors. "That's not the answer."
Guilt Trip
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Cox is an idiot, but he might be right. Right now, do you see the Leafs signing Gus in the off season? I don't.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Zee
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Guilt Trip said:
Yeah I don't see what is so wrong with what Cox wrote. It's a safe bet now to assume Gustavsson won't be back with the Leafs next season -- why would they? Cox mentioned that he might be better on another team and regain his form. Unless you believe that in the next 22 games Gustavsson suddenly shows he's a true #1 goalie and leads the Leafs into the playoffs, how would they ever consider bringing him back?
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Guilt Trip said:
Typical over-reaction from Cox. Way, way too definitive a stance. Gus could just as easily get another start and be lights out. You just can't make a decision like this on a single horrible goal.
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Champ Kind said:
It's not a single goal, it's a recurring pattern of weak goals in games. Neither Gustavsson nor Reimer has shown they deserve to be back with the Leafs, the only difference being Reimer has a contract after this season and Gustavsson doesn't, so all things being equal I could see the Leafs hanging onto Reimer, bringing another goalie in and hoping Reimer finds his form again. The 2nd goalie needs to be someone with some experience that can play if Reimer struggles again next year.
Whatever happens to Jonas will be done with his whole resume in mind, not only how/if he recovers from this ( and that's a legitimate question) but also the fact that without him the Leafs aren't fighting for a playoff spot now.
Reimer's had his own issues to work through but the fact that he's signed shouldn't mean a whole heck of a lot if he fails down the stretch too.
The Leafs were always going to need these guys playing decently to make any kind of post season hay and they've got 20 games to go to figure that out.
If Jonas craps the bed consistently from here on out, yeah, he's probably done but that isn't certain at this point and those making attention grabbing headlines are just selling something, they know better.
Reimer's had his own issues to work through but the fact that he's signed shouldn't mean a whole heck of a lot if he fails down the stretch too.
The Leafs were always going to need these guys playing decently to make any kind of post season hay and they've got 20 games to go to figure that out.
If Jonas craps the bed consistently from here on out, yeah, he's probably done but that isn't certain at this point and those making attention grabbing headlines are just selling something, they know better.
Interview with Owuya:
With that said, I would assume Allaire was a big factor in you signing here?
Yeah. (Jeff Note: I was hoping for more then a yeah here, but he?s talked about this before anyway. Basically ? it was the biggest factor in his signing by a large margin)
http://marlieshq.com/2012/02/19/interview-mark-owuya/
ALLAIRE IS A WASHED UP HAS BEEN!
With that said, I would assume Allaire was a big factor in you signing here?
Yeah. (Jeff Note: I was hoping for more then a yeah here, but he?s talked about this before anyway. Basically ? it was the biggest factor in his signing by a large margin)
http://marlieshq.com/2012/02/19/interview-mark-owuya/
ALLAIRE IS A WASHED UP HAS BEEN!
Its not like Allaire is making our goalies any better though. Or maybe he is and they were that much more terrible to begin with.
I don't think Allaire's time in Toronto has been something to be proud of. I'm not saying its his fault, but aside from getting us a couple goalies, one of whom has been an utter disappointment, he hasn't really been a factor worth mentioning.
I don't think Allaire's time in Toronto has been something to be proud of. I'm not saying its his fault, but aside from getting us a couple goalies, one of whom has been an utter disappointment, he hasn't really been a factor worth mentioning.
TML fan said:
TML fan said:
So you wouldn't want to attract goaltending prospects for free?
Gotcha.
You know, I'm not against criticism of people and their work, but this is something far beyond my level of expertise. I just don't know how coaching a goaltender works and how much of it falls under talent, technique and hard work, so personally I will give Allaire the benefit of the doubt for the simple fact that goaltenders WANT to play here because of him.
Cox was a bit over the top but IMO is probably correct. TO is a graveyard
and when you think back...other than 93-94 era with Dougie and Pat Burns with Felix and a defensive system our goaltending was a consistant downfall until Cujo arrived - and he covered up some horrendous defensive lapses. Then came Eddie who did the same until he wore out. Since then we've had shoddy goaltending. So..we either have to find a superlative goaltender or fix the shoddy defense which apparently is not going to happen. All this being said Gus' mistakes last night was not a result of purely defensive lapses.
My point still stands though...we need better quality, experienced goaltenders. It seems to appear that a "young" goaltender cannot develop
while trying to handle the shoddy defensive coverage. I mean it's hard enough you're trying to learn to be an NHL goaltender let alone one with the Leafs mistakes.
Another point comes to mind (and I'd have to think further on it for negative examples) but goaltenders that seem to have developed into
what most would consider "top" goaltenders all developed while being in a positive defensive system - Price, Rinne, Bryz at Phoenix, Thomas, even Kipper developing while Sutter was coach. I'm trying to think quickly of a
goalie developing nicely while playing behind a poor defensive team. MA Fleury?
and when you think back...other than 93-94 era with Dougie and Pat Burns with Felix and a defensive system our goaltending was a consistant downfall until Cujo arrived - and he covered up some horrendous defensive lapses. Then came Eddie who did the same until he wore out. Since then we've had shoddy goaltending. So..we either have to find a superlative goaltender or fix the shoddy defense which apparently is not going to happen. All this being said Gus' mistakes last night was not a result of purely defensive lapses.
My point still stands though...we need better quality, experienced goaltenders. It seems to appear that a "young" goaltender cannot develop
while trying to handle the shoddy defensive coverage. I mean it's hard enough you're trying to learn to be an NHL goaltender let alone one with the Leafs mistakes.
Another point comes to mind (and I'd have to think further on it for negative examples) but goaltenders that seem to have developed into
what most would consider "top" goaltenders all developed while being in a positive defensive system - Price, Rinne, Bryz at Phoenix, Thomas, even Kipper developing while Sutter was coach. I'm trying to think quickly of a
goalie developing nicely while playing behind a poor defensive team. MA Fleury?
TML fan said:
Not that scouts are not infallible but could there be a reason the guys we're attracting were not drafted? And perhaps why Reims was drafted
so far down? I know it's nice apparently to have Allaire as the tipping point but the "proof is in the pudding" no?