Goaltending conundrum

[Zee]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

 

[Hurricane]

Vokoun and Nabokov are still set for UFA this summer.  Vokoun will probably look to sign with a contender, but Nabokov may be an option.  If neither are an option for the Leafs in July, I guess you have to think trade.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I feel terrible for the guy, I mean he played lights out for periods of the game, but that third goal was atrocious.

I have a feeling he'll work it all out eventually, I just don't think it will be with us, can't allow back breaking goals over and over, even if you're great the rest of the time, without your number being up.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

I think Gus is going to go on his own anyway.  I think the best possible situation next year is a proven #1 (who knows who that is) to take the reigns while Reimer learns/develops his game.  A guy signing his final contract to play with the Leafs might help mentor Reims in the process.

On a side note, what are the chances that Nonis is well enough liked that he could trade for Schneider, never mind what it would take?

 

[Bonsixx]

I feel terrible for the guy, I mean he played lights out for periods of the game, but that third goal was atrocious.

I have a feeling he'll work it all out eventually, I just don't think it will be with us, can't allow back breaking goals over and over, even if you're great the rest of the time, without your number being up.

GREAT the rest of the time?

C'mon.

 

[Tigger]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

At this point I wouldn't care too much if it was Reimer that was gone, Jonas did his job this year.

 

[Zee]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

At this point I wouldn't care too much if it was Reimer that was gone, Jonas did his job this year.

Whichever one stays (and my gut says it'll be Reimer just because), they'll be backup.  I really think Burke and company are going to try and bring in a goalie.  Vokoun or Nabokov are both UFAs, older yes but Reimer could serve as a "learning" roll under one of them.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

At this point I wouldn't care too much if it was Reimer that was gone, Jonas did his job this year.

Whichever one stays (and my gut says it'll be Reimer just because), they'll be backup.  I really think Burke and company are going to try and bring in a goalie.  Vokoun or Nabokov are both UFAs, older yes but Reimer could serve as a "learning" roll under one of them.

It's still mind bottling to me that he gave Reimer a 3 year deal worth almost 6 million after half a season of play. What was Burke thinking?

 

[Tigger]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

At this point I wouldn't care too much if it was Reimer that was gone, Jonas did his job this year.

Whichever one stays (and my gut says it'll be Reimer just because), they'll be backup.  I really think Burke and company are going to try and bring in a goalie.  Vokoun or Nabokov are both UFAs, older yes but Reimer could serve as a "learning" roll under one of them.

Maybe, maybe not, Reimer might have nothing more up his sleeve too, it's tough to say. I just think Jonas did the job expected of him and more where Reimer didn't.

Not sure I'd be hanging my hat on either of those two goalies, I'd be more interested in a trade but for talent cost, I suppose you can't go wrong there at least.

 

[Tigger]

Good Lord I don't know what Burke will do (if anything).  Do we "promote from within" as in Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya at camp next season and hope one of them takes the reigns?  Do the Leafs package their top 10 draft pick + a roster player for a proven goalie at the draft?  (Shades of JFJ). 

My stomach hurts.

I don't know what he will do but I don't think he will make the same mistake twice and go with 2 totally unproven goaltenders. This means Gus is gone.

At this point I wouldn't care too much if it was Reimer that was gone, Jonas did his job this year.

Whichever one stays (and my gut says it'll be Reimer just because), they'll be backup.  I really think Burke and company are going to try and bring in a goalie.  Vokoun or Nabokov are both UFAs, older yes but Reimer could serve as a "learning" roll under one of them.

It's still mind bottling to me that he gave Reimer a 3 year deal worth almost 6 million after half a season of play. What was Burke thinking?

Considering the comparables it wasn't a ton of risk.

http://capgeek.com/comparables.php?season=2012&player=1247

 

[ZBBM]

The obvious thing to do would be to keep Reimer and let Gus go.  I was going to suggest that they could trade Reimer and keep Gus as backup/understudy, but that's really overthinking it.  Reimer will stay, Gus will go.  And someone will sign him.

 

[Tigger]

The obvious thing to do would be to keep Reimer and let Gus go.  I was going to suggest that they could trade Reimer and keep Gus as backup/understudy, but that's really overthinking it.  Reimer will stay, Gus will go.  And someone will sign him.

Not sure it's over thinking it if he's not getting the job done.  :-\

Just 'cause he's signed?

 

[bustaheims]

Not sure it's over thinking it if he's not getting the job done.  :-\

Just 'cause he's signed?

Statistically, there's not a huge difference between Reimer and Gustavsson right now, so, I'd be really hard-pressed to say one has really gotten the job done more than the other overall this year - the truth is, neither has been good and neither has really gotten the job done.

That being said, Reimer is almost 4 years younger than Gustavsson and under contract for 2 more seasons at a reasonable rate. Of the two, I'd say he's the more likely to improve from where he's currently at. Gustavsson could surprise and have a Tim Thomas like resurgence, but, the odds are heavily against him. The overwhelming majority of goalies are at or near the peak of their development curve by his age. All things consider, Reimer is just the better bet going forward, even if Gustavsson has been slightly better this season.

 

[Tigger]

Not sure it's over thinking it if he's not getting the job done.  :-\

Just 'cause he's signed?

Statistically, there's not a huge difference between Reimer and Gustavsson right now, so, I'd be really hard-pressed to say one has really gotten the job done more than the other overall this year - the truth is, neither has been good and neither has really gotten the job done.

From the games I've seen there's no doubt in my mind who has played better this year.

That being said, Reimer is almost 4 years younger than Gustavsson and under contract for 2 more seasons at a reasonable rate. Of the two, I'd say he's the more likely to improve from where he's currently at. Gustavsson could surprise and have a Tim Thomas like resurgence, but, the odds are heavily against him. The overwhelming majority of goalies are at or near the peak of their development curve by his age. All things consider, Reimer is just the better bet going forward, even if Gustavsson has been slightly better this season.

Again, if we're talking about the back up outplaying the starter I'm not sure what the potential value of Reimer is going forward that makes it real important to keep him. I'm not down on him nor really suggesting it goes this way just that I can see the other side of this one pretty clear too.

As far as age goes, I don't count that very heavily in terms of development and experience, to me the style of play, size of rink play a pretty big part in that too and Reimer has played that all his life. For Jonas adjusting to the NA game has been, to me, the biggest hurdle for him outside of illness and family loss. Of all the goalies they've had in the last few years I think it's been a bit of a disgrace that he didn't really get any development time to speak of in the AHL.

Anywho, I won't really be upset with who they keep one way or the other, it'll be the goalie coming in that really matters (hopefully), I'd just prefer Jonas to stay is all.

 

[lamajama]

I do feel bad for Gus as I think he's the one going as well but I also feel
he'll be more than adequate on a team that plays actual defense.

I also feel bad when he whiffs on that one shot a game.  :-\

 

[Bonsixx]

Are the people suggesting Gustavsson should be the backup next year the same apologists who suggest he plays much better when he's given a bunch of games in a row?

 

[Tigger]

Now now, if one's going to bend 'apologist' might as well go all in and grate on Chamberlain 'appeasement', it's that important.

 

[Bender]

Are the people suggesting Gustavsson should be the backup next year the same apologists who suggest he plays much better when he's given a bunch of games in a row?

They're also saying Lindback is a better option (even though he's nearly as unproven).

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

Looking at the situation, I'd take Reimer over Gus.

Gus is currently the better goalie, and has the physical talents to be a capable NHL back-up. However, he seems to need a number of games in a row to get in to a rhythm, as we saw earlier in the year. As a back-up, however, he won't be getting this. Somehow, he seems like the type of goalie mentally who would either be a #1 (if he had the talent to do so) or not in the league. I just don't see him being an effective back-up goaltender due to the mental side rather than his physical abilities.

I see Reimer, and I look at what he did last season and this season before the head injuries. Having a full off-season to... "reset" his game (get back to the way he played before the head injury) and establish his old ways should help him. If he is able to do this, I see him regaining his form - at the very least to the level that Gus has provided. Furthermore, I see him handling the mental side of being a back-up better than Gus, should that be his eventual level of play.

Gus is currently the better of the two, but I see Reimer being better at both long-term #1 potential and short-term #2 mental state.