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Goaltending conundrum

Sarge said:
L K said:
I do think it's something you need to consider.  He worked with Patrick Roy.  Great, I also think that any player who is legitimately one of the best in the history of the game would probably be that way regardless of who is coach is (assuming the coach plays him) because their own internal compete factor is just on the next level of their competitors.    He also had great success with JS Giguere.  I don't doubt for a second that he helped revive his career.

But not every coach works with every player.  I don't think it is unfair to suggest that Allaire can be a good coach, and a guy who both Reimer and Gustavsson respect, but it doesn't mean that he is the guy who can get the most of these guys.  I think he has done some really nice things with Gustavsson in terms of getting him to stay closer to the net rather than going on fishing expeditions each time he makes a save, but I think the style of drop and make the puck hit you isn't ALWAYS the right thing to do.

One thing about Reimer though.  Last year, I felt he was really strong at making the 1st save.  He squares up to the shooter really well.  A big difference between last year and this year is that he is giving up way more rebounds.  I found his ability to reset for the second shot, or move laterally is where he can get into trouble at times because he isn't nearly as athletic as Gustavsson (obviously he can still make some big saves like the stick save on Saturday) so it's harder for him to push off and get across the net.  I think that is a place where always crouching down does Reimer a bit of a disservice because he's taking away his size advantage and he's not in an optimal position to push off across the net.

That a good analysis of it I think.

We don't really know how much Allaire has tinkered with Reimer, or at least I don't.  I certainly didn't watch him in junior or the ECHL.

But Scrivens said this yesterday:

Mark Masters ‏ @markhmasters

Scrivens on Allaire: 'He?s very accommodating for everyone?s styles. He has a way he wants you to do things but those are to be efficient.'

I think people talk about Allaire like the destroys whatever style a goalie had before coming to the Leafs in favour of some robotic movements.  I mean, in theory I don't really have a problem with him teaching goalies to play the percentages with shooters - I assume shooters play the percentages when they shoot on specific goalies, and we would think that makes sense. 

I'm not one to really make sense of the more technical aspects of tending goal, though, so I can only go so far with it.
 
I said Allaire could be a problem well over a year ago to much disagreement from people here so what the media, and more importantly, goalies are saying now is no surprise to me.
 
Guilt Trip said:
I said Allaire could be a problem well over a year ago to much disagreement from people here so what the media, and more importantly, goalies are saying now is no surprise to me.

I can certainly see how a few weeks of poor goalie play, with one of the goalies going through a recognised sophomore slump and coming back from an injury, and the rest of the goalies in the minors looking very good, would prove Allaire is a problem.
 
Potvin29 said:
Guilt Trip said:
I said Allaire could be a problem well over a year ago to much disagreement from people here so what the media, and more importantly, goalies are saying now is no surprise to me.

I can certainly see how a few weeks of poor goalie play, with one of the goalies going through a recognised sophomore slump and coming back from an injury, and the rest of the goalies in the minors looking very good, would prove Allaire is a problem.

The only problem with that theory is Allaire works with the goalies in the minors too.
 
For the record, I don't know if Allaire is the problem. I do recognize however that some teachers and some students aren't always a good match and it doesn't mean that either are people of poor quality.
 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Potvin29 said:
Guilt Trip said:
I said Allaire could be a problem well over a year ago to much disagreement from people here so what the media, and more importantly, goalies are saying now is no surprise to me.

I can certainly see how a few weeks of poor goalie play, with one of the goalies going through a recognised sophomore slump and coming back from an injury, and the rest of the goalies in the minors looking very good, would prove Allaire is a problem.

The only problem with that theory is Allaire works with the goalies in the minors too.
But it's the minors, and they don't face NHL calibre shooters, every shot.
One thing is clear tho......coaching is a problem for our goalies whether it's Wilson, Allaire, or both.
 
Bullfrog said:
Coaching isn't to blame for Gustavsson redirecting a shot going wide into his net.

Yeah, this is true. 

Looks like the Leafs are set for the rest of the year.  What a disappointing February this has been.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Toskala is 1-14-2 with a 3.38 GAA and .884 SA% in Finland this season. Allaire sure did mess him up real good.

...and McKichan did such a great job with him, Raycroft, Pogge...

Button told Ferguson that he believed Raycroft could return to the form that earned him rookie-of-the-year honours two years ago and McKichan was confident he could help Raycroft find his game.

...
Quote of an old Wharnsby article in a thread...

"[McKichan] is certainly a guy I rely on for input with [the goaltender] position," Ferguson said. "He is obviously someone I talked to before making this move.
"He was sure that [Raycroft] possessed the right capabilities to return to form in terms of the technical capabilities and [mental] makeup.


From an old pension puppet plans page regarding Pogge

"I have full faith that he can be a great NHL goaltender,...And I have no doubt, that if handled properly and if he matures as a human being, that he'll be able to do it. He has the physical skills. He's a tireless worker. And he's extremely coachable."

His last year in T.O. Toskala sv% was 52nd in the league, even when you take out 13 results based on a few games played that put him squarely at 39th. Kich wasn't brought back after that.

I'll take his pov with a grain of salt.

 
I'm sorry, what goalies have the highest win total for a single season in maple leaf history?

they are
Eddie Belfour........................AND.............................ANDREW RAYCROFT!  can you belive it? both with 37 wins in a single season.

the most hilarious part is that raycroft won 37 games and they still missed the playoffs!
 
sneakyray said:
I'm sorry, what goalies have the highest win total for a single season in maple leaf history?

they are
Eddie Belfour........................AND.............................ANDREW RAYCROFT!  can you belive it? both with 37 wins in a single season.

the most hilarious part is that raycroft won 37 games and they still missed the playoffs!

That is a tainted stat in that the shootout (and before that overtime) was involved = more wins instead of games ending in ties as the league moved to those rules changes.
 
sneakyray said:
the most hilarious part is that raycroft won 37 games and they still missed the playoffs!

Also, I mean, it's not that hilarious if he played 73 games.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Potvin29 said:
Guilt Trip said:
I said Allaire could be a problem well over a year ago to much disagreement from people here so what the media, and more importantly, goalies are saying now is no surprise to me.

I can certainly see how a few weeks of poor goalie play, with one of the goalies going through a recognised sophomore slump and coming back from an injury, and the rest of the goalies in the minors looking very good, would prove Allaire is a problem.

The only problem with that theory is Allaire works with the goalies in the minors too.
But it's the minors, and they don't face NHL calibre shooters, every shot.
One thing is clear tho......coaching is a problem for our goalies whether it's Wilson, Allaire, or both.

Okay, so any success should be discounted. Okay.
 
So Carlyle seems to be riding Gustavsson, a free agent this summer.  What does this mean if anything for Reimer?
 
You know, with all this talk that Allaire might be losing his touch, or might not be doing the right thing with the goalies, I just noticed something about the Leafs defence. 

Under Ron Wilson the Leafs were more of a run and gun team.  Skate, forecheck, and get the puck out of the zone as quickly as possible (I'm really simplifying here).  Under Carlyle, they collapse more, and protect the front of the net.

What if that's the type of system you need to have when you have a blocking style goalie?  I would think that a blocking style goalie would tend to give up more rebounds.  If your D is more interested in trying to advance the puck, than pick up bodies and rebounds, that might work against a goalie that is going to stop the puck, but may give up a rebound.
 
Tonight was the last straw. I've been calm up until tonight but I fricking hate Gustavsson. Can we STOP playing this guy?  He HAS to give up at least one bad goal each and every fricking game at the worst possible time. I don't care now. Bring up Scrivens or ANYONE. I don't think Reimer has it in him this season. I'm so mad I could throw something!!
 

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