Goaltending Showdown - Reimer vs. Bernier

[Highlander]

I do control Randy's mind?but only lately since the shuttle came around and the xenon ray beam hit his bald f__king head.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I don't know why you wouldn't look at career numbers.

I depends on how long the career is. In general, anything that's more than 3 years in past isn't a great indicator of what a player is likely capable of now, unless it's part of an obvious trend or a consistent track record.

IMO, when the other option is looking at a combined 55 games, it's the preferred option.

If we were going into the playoffs tomorrow and both had similar numbers throughout the year, sure....But that's the only situation where I'd say Career numbers would come into play.

 

[93forever]

If you can't tune out the media and the fans you have no place being a goalie.

I really couldn't give a rats behind what the media thinks, says or prints and most players would probably feel the same way.  But as fans of our team and our players, we have an obligation to support our players and not run them out of town.  We have become so accustomed to having lineups of crappy players that some of us may have forgot who we are as Leaf fans.  I remember 11 years ago and before that if someone trash talked one of the Leaf players whether in conversation or online, we would be all over that person.  We need to get that attitude back.

Yeah, that's a nice thought and all, but fans of teams(in every sport) have been complaining about players since the beginning of time. It's not a 'new' thing for Toronto fans to complain about the players the Leafs ice.

I also don't think the players give a rats rearend about what you, or I, or any fan thinks. They can't. It's their job not to. Like I said, if you can't take the scrutiny, you have no place being a goalie or for that matter, an NHL player.

Well we are Leaf fans and we are supposed to be different than other fans.  I remember when polls were taken that Leaf fans were rated the most supportive of their NHL hockey team and overall 2nd or 3rd in terms of all major league sports in North America, but other polls suggest Toronto is one of the worst sports cities in North America. 

Back in '93 when the Wings dominated the Leafs in the first two games in Detroit and everyone was saying the series would be done in 4 or 5 games.  But the Leafs came back and won the next two in Toronto and the series in 7 thanks to the huge support of the fans.  So we can continue to throw bullets at players or we can go back to our roots and throw them our support.   

Call me crazy, but I don't buy it.

I remember game 3 as if it happened yesterday - the Gardens was loud and rocking.  After that game some of the players couldn't believe the support that came from the fans - it got them pumped up even more for the game.  Conversely, if the fans were silent or unsupportive that game, I don't think the Leafs would have had a chance in the series.

Let's ignore the thought process that the fans helped win that series.....When, if ever, have the Leaf fans been unsupportive to a playoff team? Last spring? Naahhh I'd say the 10's of thousands standing outside to watch on a big screen screamed support. The 9 years before that? Oh that's right!

Yeah, we Leaf fans are different. We continue to support a mediocre/below mediocre product when many team's fans up and walk away. That doesn't excuse the players, coach, usher's from being criticized. I pay handsomely for a service that they provide. If I go to a concert and the lead singer sucks, or shows up 2 hrs late, I'm going to complain. What's the difference?

Despite having mystical powers and a willingness to support the players through thick or thin, how can we say that we can will the Leafs to win?  Could we have willed Raycroft, Toskala or the Monster to make a few extra saves that would have given the Leafs a few extra wins that made the difference between golfing in April and the playoffs in May?  Same goes for motivating players to score in shootouts back when.  If a team lacks talent, the team will not win.  Bottom line.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "I know Leaf management wasn't thrilled how Carlyle commented on Reimer being OK & then Reimer's agent saying what he did"

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "that entire situation isn't something Leaf management is happy about"

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "if it hasn't happened already, and I believe it hasn't, Reimer's agent will contact the Leafs to facilitate a trade to another team"

 

[Redleaf]

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "I know Leaf management wasn't thrilled how Carlyle commented on Reimer being OK & then Reimer's agent saying what he did"

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "that entire situation isn't something Leaf management is happy about"

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "if it hasn't happened already, and I believe it hasn't, Reimer's agent will contact the Leafs to facilitate a trade to another team"

I would think Reimer plays his last game for Toronto either tonight or Saturday. Really too bad he struggled this season with some competition. He looked so good last year. It wouldn't surprise me to see him recapture his game with another team next season.

 

[Rebel_1812]

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "I know Leaf management wasn't thrilled how Carlyle commented on Reimer being OK & then Reimer's agent saying what he did"

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "that entire situation isn't something Leaf management is happy about"

@Hope_Smoke

Dreger "if it hasn't happened already, and I believe it hasn't, Reimer's agent will contact the Leafs to facilitate a trade to another team"

I would think Reimer plays his last game for Toronto either tonight or Saturday. Really too bad he struggled this season with some competition. He looked so good last year. It wouldn't surprise me to see him recapture his game with another team next season.

yeah sad to see him go, but bernier is better.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I just had a thought: the Leafs will probably go after Brodeur this summer. Especially if Nonis sticks around.

 

[Joe S.]

I just had a thought: the Leafs will probably go after Brodeur this summer. Especially if Nonis sticks around.

Why?

 

[bustaheims]

I just had a thought: the Leafs will probably go after Brodeur this summer. Especially if Nonis sticks around.

I'm pretty confident Brodeur will retire this summer.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I just had a thought: the Leafs will probably go after Brodeur this summer. Especially if Nonis sticks around.

Why?

Just a feeling. He was rumoured to be talking with Toronto last time he was a UFA but that was possibly just a negotiation tactic to get NJ to buckle and of course that was when Burke was in charge. But the Leafs are going to need a new back-up behind Bernier and they might want somebody whose going to play more than 15-20 games. And think of all the intangibles that he'll bring!

I'm pretty confident Brodeur will retire this summer.

I mean he absolutely should, but everything he's saying right now indicates that he wants to play another year pretty badly. Maybe once he realizes no team is going to give him a starters job he'll change his tune though.

 

[L K]

Goalie with a .900 SV% on a defensive oriented team.  Sounds like 5M x7 years to me.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Goalie with a .900 SV% on a defensive oriented team.  Sounds like 5M x7 years to me.

Same team as Clarkson too!

 

[BrownRolo]

If the Leafs are dumb enough to sign Brodeur I will be done with this team. The guy stinks now, plus he has a bad attitude. I read some comments from him recently where he basically threw the coach and his teammates under the bus. Something along the lines that they are content to be a .500 team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Goalie with a .900 SV% on a defensive oriented team.  Sounds like 5M x7 years to me.

Same team as Clarkson too!

Hah, didn't even think about that. They were very close in New Jersey apparently.

 

[Kin]

I mean he absolutely should, but everything he's saying right now indicates that he wants to play another year pretty badly. Maybe once he realizes no team is going to give him a starters job he'll change his tune though.

I have to think so. Can you really imagine him signing a deal to be the back-up on the Islanders or something equally ridiculous?

 

[AvroArrow]

Maybe once he realizes no team is going to give him a starters job he'll change his tune though.

I don't know... Philadelphia is always in the market for a goalie...

 

[hockeyfan1]

If the Leafs are dumb enough to sign Brodeur I will be done with this team. The guy stinks now, plus he has a bad attitude. I read some comments from him recently where he basically threw the coach and his teammates under the bus. Something along the lines that they are content to be a .500 team.

With the way Nonis does things, you never know...

 

[bustaheims]

mirtle: Of note: Bernier and Reimer played nearly identical minutes after the Olympic break. Reimer had a .909 save percentage. Bernier .904.

 

[freer]

mirtle: Of note: Bernier and Reimer played nearly identical minutes after the Olympic break. Reimer had a .909 save percentage. Bernier .904.

So they both sucked them. Argument over. Besides unfortunately we have seen the last of Reimer. He will be missed.

 

[nutman]

mirtle: Of note: Bernier and Reimer played nearly identical minutes after the Olympic break. Reimer had a .909 save percentage. Bernier .904.

So they both sucked them. Argument over. Besides unfortunately we have seen the last of Reimer. He will be missed.

Shanny is not stupid , he will see that both goalies need to be kept. So I see Reimer staying.