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Gustavsson

I hope Reimer is taking note of the improved play by Gus. Competition is a good thing and until recently, Reimer hasn't had any. I hope he responds well to it.
 
Fanatic said:
That was a heck of a shot in the head he took when he came out hard late in the game. Gus appears to be more durable and tough than previous years.

I'm glad to see you saying some nice things about Gustavsson, however misguided they are. You see, other than a groin injury two years ago, he's never missed a game due to injury or durability issues other than his heart surgeries.
 
Any time the Leaf goalie can have a SV% .900 or above, and a GA% 3.00 or under, the Leafs will be in the game and will have a decent chance of winning.  That is what both Optimus Reime and the Monster are doing for the Leafs. 
 
Bullfrog said:
Fanatic said:
That was a heck of a shot in the head he took when he came out hard late in the game. Gus appears to be more durable and tough than previous years.

I'm glad to see you saying some nice things about Gustavsson, however misguided they are. You see, other than a groin injury two years ago, he's never missed a game due to injury or durability issues other than his heart surgeries.

I thought he had missed some games due to groin and flu. Perhaps you are right. I won't argue it.
 
It is very frustrating to have a goalie who can make some great saves and do so much but then let in a softie here or there that costs the game. To a man the Leafs are blaming themselves - and they should, but when a goalie lets in at least one softie per game it is very discouraging. Gus may actually be playing better overall than Reimer would have (don't know of course) but Reimer did not seem to have that problem.
 
Fanatic said:
Bullfrog said:
Fanatic said:
That was a heck of a shot in the head he took when he came out hard late in the game. Gus appears to be more durable and tough than previous years.

I'm glad to see you saying some nice things about Gustavsson, however misguided they are. You see, other than a groin injury two years ago, he's never missed a game due to injury or durability issues other than his heart surgeries.

I thought he had missed some games due to groin and flu. Perhaps you are right. I won't argue it.

He missed 5 games in October 2009 with a groin injury.
 
I stumbled upon an old article on Terry Sawchuk:
The Uke was the best goalie Mr. Hockey ever saw
Terry Sawchuk was a sullen, often surly man, who once said there was not a single part of his body that had not been broken, stretched, sprained, twisted or required surgery.

?But the Uke (Sawchuk?s nickname) was also the best goalie I ever saw, everything that a goalie should be,? said superstar Gordie Howe, Sawchuk?s long-time teammate with the Detroit Red Wings.
...
?Terry simply hated to give up goals and it bothered him when he did,? Howe added. ?If many other goalies got bombed in the game, they went out after the game and got bombed themselves and forgot about it. Not the Uke. He would brood about a loss or a bad goal for days.

?He was such a wreck from injuries and parts of his body just wearing out. He had an operation that made one arm two inches shorter than the other and a back operation made him two inches shorter. But through it all, he sure could stop the puck.?


It reminded me a little of the criticism of Gus when he's unhappy about letting in a goal. Goalies are a different breed. To me, they always have been. But I don't think their reaction to letting in a goal has much to do with whether they're any good or not at stopping a puck.
 
cw said:
I stumbled upon an old article on Terry Sawchuk:
The Uke was the best goalie Mr. Hockey ever saw
Terry Sawchuk was a sullen, often surly man, who once said there was not a single part of his body that had not been broken, stretched, sprained, twisted or required surgery.

?But the Uke (Sawchuk?s nickname) was also the best goalie I ever saw, everything that a goalie should be,? said superstar Gordie Howe, Sawchuk?s long-time teammate with the Detroit Red Wings.
...
?Terry simply hated to give up goals and it bothered him when he did,? Howe added. ?If many other goalies got bombed in the game, they went out after the game and got bombed themselves and forgot about it. Not the Uke. He would brood about a loss or a bad goal for days.

?He was such a wreck from injuries and parts of his body just wearing out. He had an operation that made one arm two inches shorter than the other and a back operation made him two inches shorter. But through it all, he sure could stop the puck.?


It reminded me a little of the criticism of Gus when he's unhappy about letting in a goal. Goalies are a different breed. To me, they always have been. But I don't think their reaction to letting in a goal has much to do with whether they're any good or not at stopping a puck.

I agree with that to a point.  If Raycrap or Toskala talked like Sawchuk, it would not change the fact that they were crappy goalies.  Being a former goalie myself, a bad game stayed in my head longer than a great game, so what I would like to see and hear with a goalie after a bad game is honesty as to the poor performance, but a willingness to put in a better effort the next game.  Talk followed by action.   
 
cw said:
I stumbled upon an old article on Terry Sawchuk:
The Uke was the best goalie Mr. Hockey ever saw
Terry Sawchuk was a sullen, often surly man, who once said there was not a single part of his body that had not been broken, stretched, sprained, twisted or required surgery.

?But the Uke (Sawchuk?s nickname) was also the best goalie I ever saw, everything that a goalie should be,? said superstar Gordie Howe, Sawchuk?s long-time teammate with the Detroit Red Wings.
...
?Terry simply hated to give up goals and it bothered him when he did,? Howe added. ?If many other goalies got bombed in the game, they went out after the game and got bombed themselves and forgot about it. Not the Uke. He would brood about a loss or a bad goal for days.

?He was such a wreck from injuries and parts of his body just wearing out. He had an operation that made one arm two inches shorter than the other and a back operation made him two inches shorter. But through it all, he sure could stop the puck.?


It reminded me a little of the criticism of Gus when he's unhappy about letting in a goal. Goalies are a different breed. To me, they always have been. But I don't think their reaction to letting in a goal has much to do with whether they're any good or not at stopping a puck.

To me, there is only one or two times when a goaltender is out of line/in trouble with a post-goal reaction.

1 - Calling out a player on the ice.  It doesn't solve anything.
2 - Smashing a stick to the point of getting an unsportsmanlike penalty
3 - Being completely dejected to the point that it affects play going forward
 
According to The Hockey Forcaster player bios, Gustavvson's assets are his "...huge frame that,  when used in the butterfly style, really fills up the net. Has
great athleticism for a big guy".

However, his flaws are..."will sometimes get down in the butterfly position too quickly... needs work on limiting rebounds...can look a bit nervous at times."

I'm still of the advocate that the Monster needs to be more confident in his abilities, in turn, inspiring confidence in his teammates (defencemen, that is). 

Gustavvson needs to be less nervous and be more consistent and most importantly, concentrate better.

If in time, the Monster proves his worth, the Leafs would then have a more reliable one-two tandem in Reimer and Gus.   
 
And if I had $5M I'd be rich.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Gustavasson can improve. Though at 27 years old, he's running out of time.
 
Bullfrog said:
And if I had $5M I'd be rich.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Gustavasson can improve. Though at 27 years old, he's running out of time.

I have a feeling BB may already be there... if not, soon.... He still plays out of control as evidenced by the first Florida goal.... I dont get it.... but it is what it is
 
If it's true that Scrivens is starting again tonight, the writing may be on the wall for Gustavsson.  They're starting a guy in his 3rd ever NHL game start ahead of a guy going into his 3rd year and supposedly the backup?
 
Zee said:
If it's true that Scrivens is starting again tonight, the writing may be on the wall for Gustavsson.  They're starting a guy in his 3rd ever NHL game ahead of a guy going into his 3rd year and supposedly the backup?

I just posted something similar in today's GDT...
 
Floyd said:
Zee said:
If it's true that Scrivens is starting again tonight, the writing may be on the wall for Gustavsson.  They're starting a guy in his 3rd ever NHL game ahead of a guy going into his 3rd year and supposedly the backup?

I just posted something similar in today's GDT...

Yeah, I thought it was more appropriate to talk about Gustavsson's future in the Gustassvon thread and leave the other thread for game stuff.  Based on what happens tonight (or maybe even not what happenes tonight), it appears to me at least that the Leafs are almost done with Gustavsson.  If Burke goes out and signs a veteran backup, I think we'll end up releasing him. (Gustavsson that is)
 
Zee said:
Floyd said:
Zee said:
If it's true that Scrivens is starting again tonight, the writing may be on the wall for Gustavsson.  They're starting a guy in his 3rd ever NHL game ahead of a guy going into his 3rd year and supposedly the backup?

I just posted something similar in today's GDT...

Yeah, I thought it was more appropriate to talk about Gustavsson's future in the Gustassvon thread and leave the other thread for game stuff.  Based on what happens tonight (or maybe even not what happenes tonight), it appears to me at least that the Leafs are almost done with Gustavsson.  If Burke goes out and signs a veteran backup, I think we'll end up releasing him. (Gustavsson that is)

It's only a matter of time I feel. Put a gun to my head, and ask me to guess either way, I say Gustavsson will not be with the organization by the new year.
 
Floyd said:
Zee said:
Floyd said:
Zee said:
If it's true that Scrivens is starting again tonight, the writing may be on the wall for Gustavsson.  They're starting a guy in his 3rd ever NHL game ahead of a guy going into his 3rd year and supposedly the backup?

I just posted something similar in today's GDT...

Yeah, I thought it was more appropriate to talk about Gustavsson's future in the Gustassvon thread and leave the other thread for game stuff.  Based on what happens tonight (or maybe even not what happenes tonight), it appears to me at least that the Leafs are almost done with Gustavsson.  If Burke goes out and signs a veteran backup, I think we'll end up releasing him. (Gustavsson that is)

It's only a matter of time I feel. Put a gun to my head, and ask me to guess either way, I say Gustavsson will not be with the organization by the new year.

If/when Reimer returns they can send him down without too much concern of anyone picking him up off waivers.
 
Floyd said:
It's only a matter of time I feel. Put a gun to my head, and ask me to guess either way, I say Gustavsson will not be with the organization by the new year.

I don't know if it will happen that quickly, but, I'm confident in saying he won't be in the organization next season - and, there's a very good chance he won't be in the NHL at that point as well.
 
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/11/10/2551351/maple-leafs-news-ghost-of-goaltending-situations-past

Jonas Gustavsson has got to go. Waive him, trade him, sit him on the bench if you think Scrivens is the answer (though I doubt it) - whatever. It's not working out for the Monster.
 
Busta Reims said:
Floyd said:
It's only a matter of time I feel. Put a gun to my head, and ask me to guess either way, I say Gustavsson will not be with the organization by the new year.

I don't know if it will happen that quickly, but, I'm confident in saying he won't be in the organization next season - and, there's a very good chance he won't be in the NHL at that point as well.

I think you need to move him at this point.  Not starting him tonight is about as big a vote of non-confidence that you can get.  As bad as he has been, Scriven's actually has worse numbers and is getting the start.
 

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