Gustavsson

[maplesyrup]

Watched the game last night, I dont know how people are placing fault on Gus.  The team was horrible and they were giving Jagr breakaways like its practice time.  Gus is not a #1 goalie so you cant expect that much from him.

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

 

[Zee]

I don't think "everyone knows" that as you say.  Many Leafs fans keep insisting Gustavsson has been the victim of poor Leafs play and is a much better goalie than his numbers show.  Maybe he isn't?  Take last night as example, yes there were 3 breakaways for Jagr resulting in 2 goals, but at the other end Brobrorky had a couple of 2 on 1 breaks that he managed to stop.  It's saves like that at key times that can win or lose a game.

There's a ton of difference between a 2 on 1 and letting a player as talented as Jagr walk in alone. Trying to pass them off as the same doesn't speak terrifically to your argument.

Which, and let's be real, isn't really strong to begin with. Nobody is satisfied with Gus' play here. Nobody has said that Gus can keep playing at his current level and be successful. But after a game where most of the Leafs fans here said he was the team's best player trying to say it was indicative of his problem reeks of fans who bought into their "optimism" desperately seeking a scapegoat so they don't have to face the realities of what this team is right now.

A tough stop is a tough stop, Brobrosky didn't exactly have the night off.  The Leafs controlled play for a good part of the 2nd.  One goalie was better than the other.

The realities of what this team is right now, is one that can win more games than they lose with Reimer in net, whatever that reason may be.

 

[Kin]

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

The level of Gus' play last night was absolutely adequate to win provided there was a half decent team in front of him. Singling him out for criticism after last night's game is not reasonable or fair.

 

[Kin]

The realities of what this team is right now, is one that can win more games then they lose with Reimer in net, whatever that reason may be.

I'd wait until he gets back and he plays a handful of games outside of the pee wee division before I make statements that bold. After all, he's been below .900 in sv% in 3 of his 6 games this year.

 

[maplesyrup]

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

The level of Gus' play last night was absolutely adequate to win provided there was a half decent team in front of him. Singling him out for criticism after last night's game is not reasonable or fair.

... and I didn't point to his game last night as the reason for the loss. He was okay last night and I pointed to that in the GDT. By in large though, he needs to be good more often and over 68 games, his body of work isn't exactly impressive.

 

[Kin]

... and I didn't point to his game last night as the reason for the loss. He was okay last night and I pointed to that in the GDT.

I said singling him out for criticism, not "point to his game" or whatever. Have you said a single negative word about any other Maple Leaf and how they played last night? Because you've had the chance.

 

[Bender]

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

The level of Gus' play last night was absolutely adequate to win provided there was a half decent team in front of him. Singling him out for criticism after last night's game is not reasonable or fair.

Totally agree here. I can't think of one goal he let in that couldn't be attributed to poor defensive coverage. He stopped the initial Hartnell shot but had to go side to side and use a lot of athleticism to stop the shot. As a result he couldn't get set up. This is where the Leafs D check Hartnell before he makes a diving poke at the puck to stuff it in, lift his stick, clear the puck etc etc.

I can't believe people are faulting Goose for letting in 2/3 breakaways by one of the greatest goal scorers this league has ever seen. Its not like they were bad shots from Jody Shelly.

The Leafs aren't a good enough team to take risks defensively against other teams' top lines.

 

[maplesyrup]

... and I didn't point to his game last night as the reason for the loss. He was okay last night and I pointed to that in the GDT.

I said singling him out for criticism, not "point to his game" or whatever. Have you said a single negative word about any other Maple Leaf and how they played last night? Because you've had the chance.

Komisarek wasn't very good. Happy?

 

[cw]

I think this is a better (but dated) read than Cox:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/whats-really-wrong-with-jonas-gustavsson/article1877422/page1/

 

[Kin]

Komisarek wasn't very good. Happy?

Exactly, you haven't.

To repeat, singling Gus out for criticism after last night is neither reasonable or fair.

 

[Tigger]

I thought Jonas' post game interview was interesting, he was very honest/realistic and didn't seem to be too hard on himself.

 

[cw]

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

The level of Gus' play last night was absolutely adequate to win provided there was a half decent team in front of him. Singling him out for criticism after last night's game is not reasonable or fair.

Totally agree here. I can't think of one goal he let in that couldn't be attributed to poor defensive coverage.

I agree as well.

I can't believe people are faulting Goose for letting in 2/3 breakaways by one of the greatest goal scorers this league has ever seen. Its not like they were bad shots from Jody Shelly.

Let's be fair: it was only the 114th time a NHL team (NHL goalies) has allowed Jagr to score two or more goals and most of those didn't involve giving him three clean breakaways !!! Obviously, the other 113 times are Gustavsson's fault too!!

It's getting pretty absurd to go after Gus on those breakaways. He played pretty well in my opinion. He got burned a number of times like that last year.

 

[Bullfrog]

Watched the game last night, I dont know how people are placing fault on Gus.  The team was horrible and they were giving Jagr breakaways like its practice time.  Gus is not a #1 goalie so you cant expect that much from him.

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

Actually, there have been posts on here that say the exact opposite, that he was solely responsible for some of his losses.

And on the other hand, I (and others) have been saying his play is adequate to give the team a chance to win. It's safe to say that everyone wants him to play better and actually challenge for the #1 spot or at least be a very solid backup.

The amount of blame he's been getting in the last couple of days has been disproportionate to the actual quality of his and the team's play.

 

[maplesyrup]

Watched the game last night, I dont know how people are placing fault on Gus.  The team was horrible and they were giving Jagr breakaways like its practice time.  Gus is not a #1 goalie so you cant expect that much from him.

Nobody is pinning losses on him. He just needs to be adequate... Which he's not.

Actually, there have been posts on here that say the exact opposite, that he was solely responsible for some of his losses.

And on the other hand, I (and others) have been saying his play is adequate to give the team a chance to win. It's safe to say that everyone wants him to play better and actually challenge for the #1 spot or at least be a very solid backup.

The amount of blame he's been getting in the last couple of days has been disproportionate to the actual quality of his and the team's play.

Fair enough.

 

[Stebro]

If I'm gonna be extremly critical, I do think that Gustavsson should have had another of those breakaways from Jagr. Why? Because it looked as if he did the exact same thing as he did on the first goal he scored. Gustavsson moved too quickly. But I don't think that he was the problem yesterday.

 

[Kin]

If I'm gonna be extremly critical, I do think that Gustavsson should have had another of those breakaways from Jagr. Why? Because it looked as if he did the exact same thing as he did on the first goal he scored. Gustavsson moved too quickly. But I don't think that he was the problem yesterday.

I think that's a pretty tough criticism though because Gus can't be assuming that Jagr will make the same move. It's kind of like a penalty shot in soccer. The goalie basically has to play a hunch.

 

[Tigger]

If I'm gonna be extremly critical, I do think that Gustavsson should have had another of those breakaways from Jagr. Why? Because it looked as if he did the exact same thing as he did on the first goal he scored. Gustavsson moved too quickly. But I don't think that he was the problem yesterday.

Goose mentioned that during his interview but he also said you can't cheat cause Jagr will fool you, fwiw.

 

[Stebro]

If I'm gonna be extremly critical, I do think that Gustavsson should have had another of those breakaways from Jagr. Why? Because it looked as if he did the exact same thing as he did on the first goal he scored. Gustavsson moved too quickly. But I don't think that he was the problem yesterday.

I think that's a pretty tough criticism though because Gus can't be assuming that Jagr will make the same move. It's kind of like a penalty shot in soccer. The goalie basically has to play a hunch.

I agree that it's tough criticism, but that's why I wrote "If I'm gonna be extremly critical". He should have remembered what happend the last time, and kept that in mind. But yes, one may not be able to expect this vs one of the best players of all time.

 

[Stebro]

If I'm gonna be extremly critical, I do think that Gustavsson should have had another of those breakaways from Jagr. Why? Because it looked as if he did the exact same thing as he did on the first goal he scored. Gustavsson moved too quickly. But I don't think that he was the problem yesterday.

Goose mentioned that during his interview but he also said you can't cheat cause Jagr will fool you, fwiw.

Well I would say that he did cheat. He gave Jagr the control, Jagr forced him to make the first move, just like he did on that first goal. And if we were to expect a lot, he should learn something from that.

 

[Kin]

I agree that it's tough criticism, but that's why I wrote "If I'm gonna be extremly critical". He should have remembered what happend the last time, and kept that in mind. But yes, one may not be able to expect this vs one of the best players of all time.

No, but think about what Tigger is saying. Gus absolutely kept it in mind but the question is whether or not he should have cheated to ensure he didn't score in a similar way. When you've got as many tricks as Jagr does scoring one goal one way doesn't really tell you how he's going to go the next time. The one Gus stopped proved that Jagr isn't averse to the deke either.