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Holland placed on waivers, signs contract [1 year, $1.3mil AAV]

The Wild did the same thing with Jordan Schroeder earlier this week. Schroeder also had an arbitration hearing coming up and it was suspected that this was an attempt to show that he'd clear waivers and would be deserving of a two-way contact instead of a one-way contract. I sorta get that from the Wild's perspective, but it doesn't really make sense here.

Schroeder's past 2 seasons saw him play in 25 and 26 games and score 8 and points 4 in those respective seasons. He's far from being an established NHL regular. Holland played in 62 and 65 games and scored 25 and 27 points. Those are NHL regular numbers. There's no way you could make the case he's deserving of a two-way deal.
 
I guess it'll depend on if he clears. If he does, you can make the Schroeder argument and, if he doesn't, you figure the Leafs were more or less done with him and decided to chance it.
 
I'm pretty surprised by this. I didn't think he'd be a lock, but I also didn't think they'd go Leivo over Holland so early.

Do we have a glut of bottom 6 centres with the ability to move up into a top 6 wing role for brief stretches?
 
Maybe they're trying to slip him through while everyone else is busy with negotiations or vacations.  8)
 
herman said:
I'm pretty surprised by this. I didn't think he'd be a lock, but I also didn't think they'd go Leivo over Holland so early.

Do we have a glut of bottom 6 centres with the ability to move up into a top 6 wing role for brief stretches?
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I suppose that depends on what you mean by ability and, I suppose, the Leafs have such a glut of forwards right now that the versatility you're talking about is probably less valuable than it was.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I guess it'll depend on if he clears. If he does, you can make the Schroeder argument and, if he doesn't, you figure the Leafs were more or less done with him and decided to chance it.
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I don't think whether or not he clears now would really mean much. I'd imagine his pending arbitration case might scare teams off a little since they'd be forced to go into it with basically no preparation done.
 
Nik the Trik said:
you figure the Leafs were more or less done with him and decided to chance it.
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I think it's mostly this, and they're hoping to avoid an arbitration hearing where they plan on walking away from the award (since there are limitations on how often teams can do that and such).
 
I mean 25 and 27 points seasons don't scream anything for me but he's another one of those guys who will play enough games that a 2-year deal would have been nice to have for the expansion lottery.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I don't think whether or not he clears now would really mean much. I'd imagine his pending arbitration case might scare teams off a little since they'd be forced to go into it with basically no preparation done.
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I guess? But it would at least mean that no team out there wants Holland for free at whatever it would take to get him signed and avoid the process altogether. I don't know what that number is but it can't be a lot.
 
Gotta clear out non core spots for future core and Holland was an easy decision given how disappointed Babcock was in Holland's work ethic and had bumped him off the center position.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I guess? But it would at least mean that no team out there wants Holland for free at whatever it would take to get him signed and avoid the process altogether. I don't know what that number is but it can't be a lot.
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We saw teams not give their own RFAs qualifying offers a lot this summer so that they would avoid arbitration, and in some cases (like Colborne/Caglary) it cost the team that player. I think the threat of arbitration is very real for some teams.

His case is scheduled for Monday, and the team claiming him won't know if they were successful until noon. Come to think of it, I wonder what time his hearing is scheduled for. A lot of players have theirs in the morning.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
His case is scheduled for Monday, and the team claiming him won't know if they were successful until noon. Come to think of it, I wonder what time his hearing is scheduled for. A lot of players have theirs in the morning.
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Well, they'll know by noon tomorrow, so, any team thinking of claiming him will have ~3 days to put together a case. That may not seem like much, but how much time do you really need to pull up the most recent comparable players to justify the contract you intend on offering? They won't have an incredibly detailed case, but they should be able to put together enough of one.
 
bustaheims said:
Well, they'll know by noon tomorrow, so, any team thinking of claiming him will have ~3 days to put together a case. That may not seem like much, but how much time do you really need to pull up the most recent comparable players to justify the contract you intend on offering? They won't have an incredibly detailed case, but they should be able to put together enough of one.
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Doh, stupid me. I keep forgetting that players waived on Friday don't have to wait until Monday anymore to clear (or never actually did and I imagined it all).
 
bustaheims said:
That may not seem like much, but how much time do you really need to pull up the most recent comparable players to justify the contract you intend on offering? They won't have an incredibly detailed case, but they should be able to put together enough of one.
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I dunno, I've been told the Matthews contract took so long because Lou was too busying preparing arbitration cases for the past 3 weeks.

(Yes, I've been dying to get that joke in since he was placed on waivers)
 
CarltonTheBear said:
We saw teams not give their own RFAs qualifying offers a lot this summer so that they would avoid arbitration, and in some cases (like Colborne/Caglary) it cost the team that player. I think the threat of arbitration is very real for some teams.

His case is scheduled for Monday, and the team claiming him won't know if they were successful until noon. Come to think of it, I wonder what time his hearing is scheduled for. A lot of players have theirs in the morning.
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You're probably right. I just still think that there's no way a team does this if they haven't more or less decided that they could take or leave a player. Matthews pushes him down the depth chart(maybe he's the #5 C right now? Maybe 4/5 with Laich?) and I think a fair case could be made that his numbers the last few years are just a result of being a warm body.
 
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