Holland placed on waivers, signs contract [1 year, $1.3mil AAV]

[Kin]

Does this change though, if Bozak is moved out?

Maybe? The way Bozak sticking around for now makes sense to me is that they've said they want to start Matthews as the #3 C so Bozak functions as a credible #2 until Matthews is ready for more of a lead role at which point Bozak slots nicely in as your #3.

Holland doesn't really do that because he's not a particularly credible #2 and he's barely a #3. So it seems to me that if the plan was to move Bozak they should have done that sooner and looked for a veteran UFA to fill that role(who, exactly,  doesn't jump out at me but someone on a one year deal to act as potential trade bait seems ideal).

Unless, of course, it's another tank friendly year in which case I guess Holland would fit that role better than anyone else in the system at the moment.

 

[ZBBM]

And into the vast sea of mediocrity goes his career. I'd walk away from a $1.5m arb judgement.

Unfortunately teams aren't allowed to buyout or dismiss an arbitration contract south of 3.9M.

Rules are for other teams.

 

[sickbeast]

This is a real bone headed move IMO and it will come back to haunt the Leafs down the line.  I guarantee he will be claimed by someone.

About that guarantee...

Did he clear waivers? Now what happens?

 

[bustaheims]

Unfortunately teams aren't allowed to buyout or dismiss an arbitration contract south of 3.9M.

They aren't allowed to walkaway. They are allowed to buy it out. That being said, if the award is ~$1.5M, the smarter play would be to leave Holland with the Marlies all season.

 

[ZBBM]

This is a real bone headed move IMO and it will come back to haunt the Leafs down the line.  I guarantee he will be claimed by someone.

About that guarantee...

Did he clear waivers? Now what happens?

See reply #51, and then read up from that.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Peter Holland signs for $1.3-million with Leafs. One-year deal. No arbitration.

Seems fair. Now, does he start the season with the Leafs?

 

[herman]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Peter Holland signs for $1.3-million with Leafs. One-year deal. No arbitration.

Seems fair. Now, does he start the season with the Leafs?

Hurray! I think he starts on the Leafs, as he'd have to go through waivers again to be loaned to the Marlies. Greening will pass through waivers easily.

via /r/leafs:

13.2 The "Playing Season Waiver Period" shall begin on the twelfth (12th) day prior to the start of the Regular Season and end on the day following the last day of a Club's Playing Season. Subject to the provisions of this Article, the rights to the services of a Player may be Loaned to a club of another league, upon fulfillment of the following conditions, except when elsewhere expressly prohibited:
(a) Regular Waivers were requested and cleared during the Playing Season Waiver Period; and
(b) the Player has not played in ten (10) or more NHL Games cumulative since Regular Waivers on him were last cleared, and more than thirty (30) days cumulative on an NHL roster have not passed since Regular Waivers on him were last cleared.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Hurray! I think he starts on the Leafs, as he'd have to go through waivers again to be loaned to the Marlies. Greening will pass through waivers easily.

Yeah I meant more does he start with the Leafs or another NHL team. I know he cleared waivers now but I think in September with a contract done would be a different story.

 

[bustaheims]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Peter Holland signs for $1.3-million with Leafs. One-year deal. No arbitration.

Seems fair. Now, does he start the season with the Leafs?

Coin-flip on that one. Now that arbitration is no longer an issue, at $1.3M, I can see a few teams being interesting in plucking him off waivers, or even maybe giving up a late pick for him so they don't risk another team snagging him. That being said, at that price, he makes for a pretty useful depth piece/13th forward for the Leafs.

 

[herman]

Hurray! I think he starts on the Leafs, as he'd have to go through waivers again to be loaned to the Marlies. Greening will pass through waivers easily.

Yeah I meant more does he start with the Leafs or another NHL team. I know he cleared waivers now but I think in September with a contract done would be a different story.

Indeed. I don't think we'll risk losing him for nothing by sending him down though, because he is more tradeable at the deadline than Greening/Laich/Lupul.

Edit: Since he will still be RFA after this year, we can also just take our time with Holland, unless someone offers a 2nd rounder or more.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Guaranteed	Veteran	Kid
Kadri JVR Bozak Komarov Martin Nylander Matthews	Lupul* Laich Michalek Greening Holland Froese	Leivo Hyman Marner Soshnikov Brown Leipsic Rychel

Assuming the Leafs carry 8 defenceman (which seems likely unless they waive Corrado), there's room on the roster for 13 forwards. 7 already have spots locked up. 6 spots open. That's likely split between 3 vets/3 kids or 4 vets/2 kids.

*I'm counting Lupul as a healthy body for now

 

[Coco-puffs]

Guaranteed	Veteran	Kid
Kadri JVR Bozak Komarov Martin Nylander Matthews	Lupul Laich Michalek Greening Holland	Leivo Hyman Marner Soshnikov Brown Leipsic Rychel

Assuming the Leafs carry 8 defenceman (which seems likely unless they waive Corrado), there's room on the roster for 13 forwards. 7 already have spots locked up. 6 spots open. That's likely split between 3 vets/3 kids or 4 vets/2 kids.

I know you aren't including everyone under contract in the organization (ie, Kapanen and Lindberg are Marlie bound unless they have an amazing camp), but considering Babcock's affinity for him last season, Froese is missing from your list.  He would seem to fall in-between Vet and Kid and may take a spot.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I know you aren't including everyone under contract in the organization (ie, Kapanen and Lindberg are Marlie bound unless they have an amazing camp), but considering Babcock's affinity for him last season, Froese is missing from your list.  He would seem to fall in-between Vet and Kid and may take a spot.

Yeah for me I think Kapanen/Lindberg/Gauthier as 100% Marlies-bound even if they look good in camp. With their professional experience and waiver status I just can't see them starting in the NHL, and that's probably the right call. A couple of good weeks in training camp when most players aren't really trying shouldn't make the Leafs fast-forward their development. Having bigger roles with the Marlies for a season would be good for them.

Froese was admittedly an oversight, probably because I'm trying my hardest to forget he exists. I'd be very, very surprised if he makes the roster though. The top-3 centres are set, and the 4C spot will come down to Laich or Holland.

 

[herman]

Assuming the Leafs carry 8 defenceman (which seems likely unless they waive Corrado), there's room on the roster for 13 forwards. 7 already have spots locked up. 6 spots open. That's likely split between 3 vets/3 kids or 4 vets/2 kids.

Lou likes the rule of thirds for his rosters, so I shuffled this around a bit to get a read on the splits.

Prime		Veteran		Kid
Kadri Bozak van Riemsdyk Komarov Martin Holland		Lupul Michalek Greening Laich		Matthews Nylander Marner Soshnikov Hyman Leivo Brown Leipsic

I get the sense the Leafs will intend to keep everyone in the veteran column up, but open camp allowing for the possibility that vets can be overtaken with good camps by the upper crust of the Marlies (Brown, Leivo).

Froese, Hyman, Soshnikov are my designated forward yo-yos.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Yeah for me I think Kapanen/Lindberg/Gauthier as 100% Marlies-bound even if they look good in camp. With their professional experience and waiver status I just can't see them starting in the NHL, and that's probably the right call. A couple of good weeks in training camp when most players aren't really trying shouldn't make the Leafs fast-forward their development. Having bigger roles with the Marlies for a season would be good for them.

Froese was admittedly an oversight, probably because I'm trying my hardest to forget he exists. I'd be very, very surprised if he makes the roster though. The top-3 centres are set, and the 4C spot will come down to Laich or Holland.

I'd agree with you on Kapanen, Lindberg, and Gauthier.  Even a strong camp shouldn't lead to a spot over guys like Brown, Sosh, or Hyman who showed they belong in the NHL in actual regular season games last year.

As for Froese, I'd much prefer he doesn't make the squad as well.  Seems to me though that Babcock didn't like Holland at center and wanted him on the wing most of last year, so it's a Laich/Froese conversation for 4th line center and if Laich gets injured, Froese may be the first one called up to fill that role.

 

[Bender]

Assuming the Leafs carry 8 defenceman (which seems likely unless they waive Corrado), there's room on the roster for 13 forwards. 7 already have spots locked up. 6 spots open. That's likely split between 3 vets/3 kids or 4 vets/2 kids.

Lou likes the rule of thirds for his rosters, so I shuffled this around a bit to get a read on the splits.

Prime		Veteran		Kid
Kadri Bozak van Riemsdyk Komarov Martin Holland		Lupul Michalek Greening Laich		Matthews Nylander Marner Soshnikov Hyman Leivo Brown Leipsic

I get the sense the Leafs will intend to keep everyone in the veteran column up, but open camp allowing for the possibility that vets can be overtaken with good camps by the upper crust of the Marlies (Brown, Leivo).

Froese, Hyman, Soshnikov are my designated forward yo-yos.

Babcock already mentioned he'd play Matthews and Nylander together as C & W

 

[herman]

Babcock already mentioned he'd play Matthews and Nylander together as C & W

For Training Camp, yes. The blue font players were the locks as determined by CtB.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Lou likes the rule of thirds for his rosters, so I shuffled this around a bit to get a read on the splits.

I think every team wants a healthy mix of players like that, but I wouldn't really expect that to be one of the things Lou takes a hard stance on. Especially since Babcock will likely have the most say on who's on the roster and who isn't.

 

[herman]

Lou likes the rule of thirds for his rosters, so I shuffled this around a bit to get a read on the splits.

I think every team wants a healthy mix of players like that, but I wouldn't really expect that to be one of the things Lou takes a hard stance on. Especially since Babcock will likely have the most say on who's on the roster and who isn't.

I don't expect to see an even split while Lou is in power, since we'll be in the transition phase for the next little while. I think this year is still a bit of a wait and see year, rather than a wholesale youth movement like I'd prefer.

 

[ZBBM]

I hate to say this, but looking at that glut of forwards, I could see them sending Marner back to junior (worthless as that would be) if he struggles in camp.  Because, let's face it, if the AHL were an option, that's likely where he would go, at least to start.