Idiocracy
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bustaheims
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Pretty sure that's a violation of US Flag Code
Heroic Shrimp
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Nik the Trik said:
Some of interesting thoughts about Crosby and the Penguins going to the White House, and some history of racial tensions in Cole Harbour:
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bustaheims
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herman said:
Sure, but, war between cities in the same country? Anthems make sense when national teams are playing - in those situations they do work as that kind of proxy. For local teams? Not so much.
Kin
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herman said:
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here but I don't think sports are a proxy for war. Sure you have some cases where the teams on the field represent a concurrent geo-political struggle and, yes, the bombastic use of violent metaphor sort of amps up the rhetoric but those things are kind of bogus.
I mean, if Canada were to play a series of games against Sweden would we think of that as a proxy for a war against Sweden? Where we could vent our aggression against their attractive people and hard to assemble furniture(hold on, that actually sound appealing).
There's a reason most international soccer games are called "friendlies".
herman
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I mean the concept of sports in general being a proxy for war.
So this is not to say people need to vent their negative feelings towards particular countries or cities; the origins of the opponents are largely irrelevant. The crests on the jerseys are just extensions of coat of arms or uniforms (or house sigils) to help easily identify who to root for (or kill). The first sporting activities were martial exercises to showcase battlefield prowess (Babylonian wrestling, gladiatorial events). Evolutionarily speaking, our minds are honed for violence in the pursuit of adding to what we have and removing from those outside our tribe.
Modern sports occupies the same niche in our collective psyches as all of that nativism/tribalism, aggressive competition; thus conflation with those real-life emotions and concepts is not easy to separate for a lot of people. People clearly have difficulty separating anthems and flags from feelings about the military as the synecdoche is so deeply ingrained in our imagery of both sport and military.
I'm with you in terms of cutting out the anthem stuff, but I think it's easier said than done.
So this is not to say people need to vent their negative feelings towards particular countries or cities; the origins of the opponents are largely irrelevant. The crests on the jerseys are just extensions of coat of arms or uniforms (or house sigils) to help easily identify who to root for (or kill). The first sporting activities were martial exercises to showcase battlefield prowess (Babylonian wrestling, gladiatorial events). Evolutionarily speaking, our minds are honed for violence in the pursuit of adding to what we have and removing from those outside our tribe.
Modern sports occupies the same niche in our collective psyches as all of that nativism/tribalism, aggressive competition; thus conflation with those real-life emotions and concepts is not easy to separate for a lot of people. People clearly have difficulty separating anthems and flags from feelings about the military as the synecdoche is so deeply ingrained in our imagery of both sport and military.
I'm with you in terms of cutting out the anthem stuff, but I think it's easier said than done.
Kin
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herman said:
I'm no anthropologist or anything but my guess is that's not true. I'm guessing cavemen would race each other to the nearest river or whatever before any sort of organized, spectator bloodsport came into being.
herman said:
I mean, I tend not to be overly forgiving of using evolutionary biology as justification for dumbness or bad behaviour because, you know, "the life of man, solitary, nasty, poor, brutish and short."
Any argument towards enlightenment is an argument away from evolutionary biology and those feelings. I think that's the core concept.
Heroic Shrimp
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Lots of good stuff in here about Trump's history of repeatedly trying and failing to become an NFL owner, and of his failed venture in the USFL:
http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-nfl-fight-dates-back-failed-usfl-experiment-80s-jeff-pearlman-670843
http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-nfl-fight-dates-back-failed-usfl-experiment-80s-jeff-pearlman-670843
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/912511500295835650
Don Lemon unpacks the whole kneeling situation pretty well here I think.
Don Lemon unpacks the whole kneeling situation pretty well here I think.
The Pens might be going to the White House, but Pittsburgh's mayor won't be:
https://www.apnews.com/e2963ca9d00344bea9b945e284830461
https://www.apnews.com/e2963ca9d00344bea9b945e284830461
herman
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CarltonTheBear said:
Impeccable delivery for this very important message.
I came across this one as well, which goes a bit deeper into why Kaepernick knelt instead his original plan to sit.
https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/912421985958768640
www.twitter.com/getnickwright/status/912421985958768640
It's not really going over any new ground, but for the Fox Sports audience...
spiderbob
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I typically lurk here but felt I felt the need to post this in response to HeroicShrimp's post on the previous page with all the tweets.
It's worth noting, Crosby never actually went to that High School. The only High School in Cole Harbour Syd actually attended was Auburn High and I don't know how long that was for as he was off to Saint Mary's in Minnesota(?) and is actually credited with graduating from a High School in Moncton while he was playing in Rimouski. And in his defense, the racial tensions in the city in question aren't exactly as high as the tweet storm implies. Not high enough to refuse a WH visit, under normal circumstances ofc.
It's worth noting, Crosby never actually went to that High School. The only High School in Cole Harbour Syd actually attended was Auburn High and I don't know how long that was for as he was off to Saint Mary's in Minnesota(?) and is actually credited with graduating from a High School in Moncton while he was playing in Rimouski. And in his defense, the racial tensions in the city in question aren't exactly as high as the tweet storm implies. Not high enough to refuse a WH visit, under normal circumstances ofc.
spiderbob
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Nik the Trik said:
Not really, as far as I can recall, Auburn High has never had these types of issues. These usually boiled down to two communities as opposed to a city wide racial tension. Most times after things simmered down it was business as usual. And as I said, any "racial tension" in this city isn't bad enough to give up a WH visit. If you wanna protest along with the real reason player's are kneeling, all the power to you. But again, her tweet storm painted a pretty bad picture, fueled by the media, that doesn't actually exist to the extent it seems she implied. As for the other High schools in the area, not that I can think of, and that includes those in other mixed race communities.