Injury Thread / Lou's Corner

[CarltonTheBear]

Leafs PR ‏@LeafsPR
The @MapleLeafs have assigned forward Josh Leivo to the @TorontoMarlies on a long-term injury conditioning loan. #TMLtalk

I swear they're just making this stuff up as they go.

 

[Zee]

Leafs PR ‏@LeafsPR
The @MapleLeafs have assigned forward Josh Leivo to the @TorontoMarlies on a long-term injury conditioning loan. #TMLtalk

I swear they're just making this stuff up as they go.

The next lockout will be the Leafs fault.

 

[McGarnagle]

Translation: Not enough room in trunk of car.

 

[jonlleafs]

Leafs PR ‏@LeafsPR
The @MapleLeafs have assigned forward Josh Leivo to the @TorontoMarlies on a long-term injury conditioning loan. #TMLtalk

I swear they're just making this stuff up as they go.

The next lockout will be the Leafs fault.

I didn't know if you could do a long term injury conditioning loan.  Thought they were only like 15 days or something

 

[Highlander]

Leafs PR ‏@LeafsPR
The @MapleLeafs have assigned forward Josh Leivo to the @TorontoMarlies on a long-term injury conditioning loan. #TMLtalk

I swear they're just making this stuff up as they go.

The next lockout will be the Leafs fault.

I didn't know if you could do a long term injury conditioning loan.  Thought they were only like 15 days or something

Depends if he is on a stationary bike or a real bike

 

[Kaberle15]

Lou's  corner is awesome. Translates everything.

 

[herman]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-marlies/2016/11/1/13490262/where-in-the-world-is-josh-leivo-toronto-maple-leafs-marlies-ahl-waivers-conditioning-loan

Info on this type of Conditioning Loan. It's basically an "Are you really too injured to play in the NHL" trial (6 days, 3 games) that can be extended by 2 games. It lets him play (showcase?) for a bit without taking up a roster slot.

13.9 Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan. A Player who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception as set forth in Article 50 may, with his consent, during the term of such Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception (but in no event during the first fourteen (14) calendar days and six (6) NHL Games), be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan (the "Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan") for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to play. If the Club determines that it needs more time to assess the Player's fitness to play, the Club may file a written request with the Commissioner's Office, with a copy to the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, to extend the Loan for an additional two (2) games. The Commissioner, upon good cause, may approve the one-time extension. The Commissioner's approval shall not be unreasonably withheld. A Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan will continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club's 23-man roster limit. The Club's Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception will continue until the Conditioning Loan ends, and his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses will continue to count against the Club's Upper Limit and the Players' Share during such time. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is placed on a Bona Fide LongTerm Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan. If he has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan to evade Waivers or otherwise to Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take other disciplinary action against the Club as he deems appropriate. A Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan may be extended on one occasion. This procedure can only be used once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury Exception.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I wonder what the long-term plan is here with Leivo. Does he beat out any wingers currently on the roster and stick up here after this stint? Or does he just end up on waivers once it's over? If it's the former, who goes down in his place? And if it's the latter, why even both with the conditioning stint? You probably have a better chance of getting him through waivers without him having played those games.

 

[disco]

hehe great thread. It'll be like 'Published Version' and 'Real Reason'.

 

[Bullfrog]

I wonder what the long-term plan is here with Leivo. Does he beat out any wingers currently on the roster and stick up here after this stint? Or does he just end up on waivers once it's over? If it's the former, who goes down in his place? And if it's the latter, why even both with the conditioning stint? You probably have a better chance of getting him through waivers without him having played those games.

Is it a pay thing? That is, if it's a loan, is he being paid at an NHL v AHL salary?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Is it a pay thing? That is, if it's a loan, is he being paid at an NHL v AHL salary?

Would be paid a NHL salary either way. The differences were posted in that PPP link herman brought up. Mainly that this conditioning stint keeps Leivo on the IR and lasts for a shorter period. So this one is more so meant to see if a player is still injured, while a standard conditioning stint is to actually get a player back to game shape.

 

[disco]

Nathan Horton, Stephane Robidas and Joffrey Lupul salute this thread from Salary-Cap Island somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle.

Also, Brooks Laich, Milan Michalek and Colin Greening bring greetings from the Waiver Marlies.

 

[princedpw]

Lou's  corner is awesome. Translates everything.

+1

Hilarious thread title.

 

[Bullfrog]

Is it a pay thing? That is, if it's a loan, is he being paid at an NHL v AHL salary?

Would be paid a NHL salary either way. The differences were posted in that PPP link herman brought up. Mainly that this conditioning stint keeps Leivo on the IR and lasts for a shorter period. So this one is more so meant to see if a player is still injured, while a standard conditioning stint is to actually get a player back to game shape.

Would he be eligible for a regular conditioning stint after this one? If yes, then it makes sense as a way to have an extended stay on the Marlies.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Would he be eligible for a regular conditioning stint after this one? If yes, then it makes sense as a way to have an extended stay on the Marlies.

Bettman might be forced to call shenanigans if something like that went down.

 

[Bullfrog]

True, but it doesn't explicitly state they cant...

 

[Frank E]

True, but it doesn't explicitly state they cant...

Usually, to determine we understand what the hell you're referring to, we use the quote feature.

Thanking you in advance, Frank E.

 

[herman]

Would he be eligible for a regular conditioning stint after this one? If yes, then it makes sense as a way to have an extended stay on the Marlies.

Bettman might be forced to call shenanigans if something like that went down.

True, but it doesn't explicitly state they cant...

We generally wouldn't want to draw that kind of attention.

 

[Bullfrog]

Draw what kind of attention? If it's permitted, then it's permitted.

 

[Bullfrog]

True, but it doesn't explicitly state they cant...

Usually, to determine we understand what the hell you're referring to, we use the quote feature.

Thanking you in advance, Frank E.

Absent of a properly cited quotation, we the people generally recommend one should assume the post is referring to the immediately preceding post. Unfortunately, but wholly unpredictable by the author, the reply under question was placed on the subsequent page and therefore not immediately in proximity to the original author's work.

I apologize profusely, and with utmost sincerity, about this inconvenient occurrence.