Jared McCann is a Leaf [edit: nevermind]

[Kin]

This was a decision between losing:

Holl or Dermott (McCann trade, 7-3-1)
Hallander and 7th/McCann (McCann trade, 4-4-1)
Holl or Dermott (no trade, 7-3-1)
Kerfoot or Dermott (no trade, 4-4-1)

I find it difficult to have a strong opinon on which we should have let go.

I still think my thing is that even if Hallander is a terrible prospect and has, like, a 5% chance of becoming a good player in the league I still think, given where the Leafs are, that you'd rather take that chance when the alternative is losing Kerfoot, who you can probably replace or even improve on just with the cap space, or Dermott who nobody would be sad about leaving regardless.

Toss in that I don't think Hallander is a terrible prospect and it makes it a stronger case, I think.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looking back at Vegas' 2017 expansion draft, it's funny how mad we were at Leivo being protected over Leipsic:

https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=4535.0

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/LeafsNews/status/1417886276238430208

 

[Bullfrog]

This was a decision between losing:

Holl or Dermott (McCann trade, 7-3-1)
Hallander and 7th/McCann (McCann trade, 4-4-1)
Holl or Dermott (no trade, 7-3-1)
Kerfoot or Dermott (no trade, 4-4-1)

I find it difficult to have a strong opinon on which we should have let go.

Same, but ultimately I'm fine with the route they took. They decided that losing Holl was a greater threat than losing Kerfoot so they went the 4-4-1 route. With the trade, they lose either Kerfoot or McCann. No trade, they lose Kerfoot and now have a hole to plug.

Absent the expansion draft, you're likely not getting McCann or Kerfoot-type players for Hallander and a 7th. UFA route is dicey and probably too expensive.

 

[Bender]

This was a decision between losing:

Holl or Dermott (McCann trade, 7-3-1)
Hallander and 7th/McCann (McCann trade, 4-4-1)
Holl or Dermott (no trade, 7-3-1)
Kerfoot or Dermott (no trade, 4-4-1)

I find it difficult to have a strong opinon on which we should have let go.

I still think my thing is that even if Hallander is a terrible prospect and has, like, a 5% chance of becoming a good player in the league I still think, given where the Leafs are, that you'd rather take that chance when the alternative is losing Kerfoot, who you can probably replace or even improve on just with the cap space, or Dermott who nobody would be sad about leaving regardless.

Toss in that I don't think Hallander is a terrible prospect and it makes it a stronger case, I think.

And that's exactly it. Maybe they thought the acquisition cost of acquiring a McCann type after the expansion draft would be too high, but the Leafs need a 3C no matter what and Kerfoot isn't it and he likely has to leave if you're bothering with a viable replacement anyway. I'd much rather lose Kerfoot for nothing because his contract doesn't provide surplus value and we need a true 3C. Now we just lost trade chips for nothing instead.

 

[dappleganger]

This was a decision between losing:

Holl or Dermott (McCann trade, 7-3-1)
Hallander and 7th/McCann (McCann trade, 4-4-1)
Holl or Dermott (no trade, 7-3-1)
Kerfoot or Dermott (no trade, 4-4-1)

I find it difficult to have a strong opinon on which we should have let go.

I still think my thing is that even if Hallander is a terrible prospect and has, like, a 5% chance of becoming a good player in the league I still think, given where the Leafs are, that you'd rather take that chance when the alternative is losing Kerfoot, who you can probably replace or even improve on just with the cap space, or Dermott who nobody would be sad about leaving regardless.

Toss in that I don't think Hallander is a terrible prospect and it makes it a stronger case, I think.

Agreed. I just find it baffling.

 

[Kin]

Looking back at Vegas' 2017 expansion draft, it's funny how mad we were at Leivo being protected over Leipsic:

https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=4535.0

Leipsic turned out to be pretty mediocre and not a great dude but I stand by my position on him vs. Martin.

 

[Deebo]

And that's exactly it. Maybe they thought the acquisition cost of acquiring a McCann type after the expansion draft would be too high, but the Leafs need a 3C no matter what and Kerfoot isn't it and he likely has to leave if you're bothering with a viable replacement anyway. I'd much rather lose Kerfoot for nothing because his contract doesn't provide surplus value and we need a true 3C. Now we just lost trade chips for nothing instead.

Hallander is 1 trade chip, the 7th isn't making or breaking any deals.

I would say right now, you could get more for Kerfoot than Hallander.

 

[herman]

I disagree the Kerfoot has an attractive contract.

2 years left at 3.5M AAV; after the signing bonus this year, there is 3.45M left in actual salary to pay out. 750k in actual dollars this year.

There is more trade value to the Leafs there (ARI, OTT, etc.) in a flat cap environment than just losing him outright.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

2 years left at 3.5M AAV; after the signing bonus this year, there is 3.45M left in actual salary to pay out. 750k in actual dollars this year.

There is more trade value to the Leafs there (ARI, OTT, etc.) in a flat cap environment than just losing him outright.

When he's a part of the Conor Garland trade we'll forget all about this.

 

[Kin]

No team is going to offer up a significant trade package if the player can't substantially outperform what you could use the money on in the UFA market. Even the cheapest team is probably going to expect their GM to be able to use 2 million or so to go out and land an approximation of Kerfoot rather than overpay for the genuine article.

 

[Guilt Trip]

2 years left at 3.5M AAV; after the signing bonus this year, there is 3.45M left in actual salary to pay out. 750k in actual dollars this year.

There is more trade value to the Leafs there (ARI, OTT, etc.) in a flat cap environment than just losing him outright.

When he's a part of the Conor Garland trade we'll forget all about this.

Add in when the Leafs sign Bunting too!

 

[Kin]

Now apparently news is that the Kraken have passed on Demelo in Winnipeg in favour of Mason Appleton, so the "If Holl was available the Kraken would take him in a heartbeat" concept maybe isn't as iron-clad as people think.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Now apparently news is that the Kraken have passed on Demelo in Winnipeg in favour of Mason Appleton, so the "If Holl was available the Kraken would take him in a heartbeat" concept maybe isn't as iron-clad as people think.

I think Holl is better then DeMelo who is signed for 3x3. Appleton is on the books for 900K next year. I might have leaned that way also. There also may be a deal in place to leave DeMelo alone. Holl would have been gone.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

For anyone keeping score at home, McCann scored at a 61-point pace last year (over 82 games).

Kerfoot was at a 33-point pace. What a bungle by Leafs management.

Obviously I got my hopes up.

The question isn?t whether Kerfoot is more useful to the team than McCann, it?s whether he?s more useful than Hallander and a 7th. And he is.

I too would have preferred to keep McCann. But to me, moaning about this outcome is not unlike moaning about the team having once traded a 4th rounder for useful player when an even better player ended up getting drafted with that pick.

 

[Kin]

The question isn?t whether Kerfoot is more useful to the team than McCann, it?s whether he?s more useful than Hallander and a 7th. And he is.

Well, no. Any player currently on a team is more useful to the team than a prospect. The question is whether or not Kerfoot is more useful than Hallander, a 7th and 3.5 million in cap space to spend on whatever you like.

 

[Kin]

I think Holl is better then DeMelo who is signed for 3x3.

The issue isn't Holl vs. Demelo, it's Holl vs all of the other guys Seattle had available to them on the blueline. Holl is not clear cut a guy they'd have to have so the idea that he'd be gone vs. Kerfoot or McCann is entirely guesswork.

 

[dappleganger]

I disagree the Kerfoot has an attractive contract.

2 years left at 3.5M AAV; after the signing bonus this year, there is 3.45M left in actual salary to pay out. 750k in actual dollars this year.

There is more trade value to the Leafs there (ARI, OTT, etc.) in a flat cap environment than just losing him outright.

That does make it better.  :-\

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

The question isn?t whether Kerfoot is more useful to the team than McCann, it?s whether he?s more useful than Hallander and a 7th. And he is.

Well, no. Any player currently on a team is more useful to the team than a prospect. The question is whether or not Kerfoot is more useful than Hallander, a 7th and 3.5 million in cap space to spend on whatever you like.

Sure. I kind of assumed that value for cap hit was sort of automatically assumed in gauging a player?s usefulness to a team, but fair point if not.

 

[Kin]

The question isn?t whether Kerfoot is more useful to the team than McCann, it?s whether he?s more useful than Hallander and a 7th. And he is.

Well, no. Any player currently on a team is more useful to the team than a prospect. The question is whether or not Kerfoot is more useful than Hallander, a 7th and 3.5 million in cap space to spend on whatever you like.

Sure. I kind of assumed that value for cap hit was sort of automatically assumed in gauging a player?s usefulness to a team, but fair point if not.

Yeah, I was more saying that any question like that is obviously going to look bad for a prospect if it's framed as how useful he is to a team he isn't on.