That?s the thing. And Shapiro basically admitted that they should have started the rebuild earlier but there were external factors. The team is poorly run, let?s face it. I can name at least five major assets that they mismanaged. Excellent assets that they could have parlayed into very nice prospects that would have put us into a position similar to the Houston Astros. Now we?re stuck with a handful of very good to elite prospects. I don?t think it will be enough. Not against the Yankees and the Red Sox. I don?t see the endgame here. That?s the sad part. At least when the Leafs tanked they did it right and we had hope. I?m really down about the Jays and I?m a really huge fan. It was pretty upsetting for us to sell the season tickets. We did not take the decision lightly.cabber24 said:Yep Shapiro been great... we're definitely on track...Bender said:You call BS and all I have to do is call Syndergaard. I'll have to do more research to add more to the conversation but that's how I recall things playing out - we doubled down on a roster with a small window.cabber24 said:I call BS they had 3 top prospects in Osuana, Sanchez, and Stroman on their roster. They were in a great place and Shapiro neither added the right pieces or recouped anything. Worst rebuild ever. Total buzz kill from day one and complete inept job done to date. A complete PR disaster to boot.Bender said:IJustLurkHere said:sickbeast said:Did you see Donaldson's comments about the Blue Jays training staff, and also Shapiro somewhat indirectly?IJustLurkHere said:cabber24 said:They didn?t either rebuild or build around what they had. Became less competitive and squandered assets. This discussion has been had.
Well, sorry if you've had this conversation, because every time I see something like the above, I literally think of all the people who used to say "the Leafs can never rebuild". The Jays have pretty clearly been rebuilding.
They tried to hedge on Donaldson and it blew up in their face, but if Donaldson had gotten back to MVP form in St Louis, it might have accelerated the Jays rebuild, but would have been heartbreaking. If he'd gotten back to that form here, then who knows...
https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/mlb/unveiled-in-atlanta-ex-blue-jay-josh-donaldson-takes-shot-at-former-team?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1543415812
We had probably the best GM in the game and then Rogers basically replaced him by hiring Shapiro to try and save money. That should tell you all you need to know as a fan. Attendance was good, the organization was profitable. Prior to Shapiro being hired the Blue Jays had a great vibe from Beeston all the way down. Shapiro has systematically gutted pretty much all of that from the organization at this point. It's hard to watch as fan. You guys can talk about the rebuild and this and that. IMO that's all nonsense. The bottom line is that the team is poorly run from the top down. Donaldson makes a good point. Why did Shapiro fire the former training staff? The same goes for the large number of Canadian employees within the organization that he has fired so he can replace them with his American cronies. This is all about power, control, and manipulation and I will not support it as a fan. Our family has cancelled our seasons tickets and we had four of them. You guys will see, that place will be a ghost town this season. All because the soul of the team has been sucked out by greedy ownership and a sleazy shill of a team president.
What did you think was going to happen to ?the soul of the team??Donaldson should be focused on staying on the park, because if he can?t, he?s not getting another $23M deal next year.
Even if Anthropolous has stayed - and remember, he wasn?t fired - he had traded all his chips for those 2 runs, and then left rather than deal with the fallout.
That your family chooses not to support the team via season tickets anymore now is a fair use of your money. As far as I can see - and feel free to demonstrate where I?m wrong, but it not Donaldson, it?s not Encarnacion, and it?s ceronot the training staff - the Jays are being run in a sensible manner and dealing with the necessity of re-invigorating their 40 man roster to be competitive... if that costs them the support of a certain bracket of fans, that?s only to be expected.
Agreed. It will be a ghost town because the Jays aren't the Leafs - winning changes everything. And I'm sorry to say the window for the team that AA built was a few years at most and the prospect pool was empty when he left.
JD can say what he likes but he should prove it on the field this year before blaming different staff.
Everyone is angry at Shapiro for having to clean up AA's mess and for the team not being very good once he bailed when he realized the writing was on the wall. Like many other people that are revered by others, he wasn't around long enough to fail. If AA were here now he'd be just as loathed as Shapiro because, like I said, winning changes everything and they haven't been winning.