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Jays Roster Discussion

bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
The Empire said:
...Jays are covering $10M and get international bonus money in return + Jesus (nobody) Lopez
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Probably clearing at-bats for Vlad.
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Also, clearing up the DH spot to be able to rotate in guys like Hernandez, Smoak, etc., I imagine. The team will be paying ~$50M this season for guys to play elsewhere, but, that's part of the stripping down process.
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Props to Jays management for not letting money get in the way of development.
 
cabber24 said:
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
The Empire said:
...Jays are covering $10M and get international bonus money in return + Jesus (nobody) Lopez
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Probably clearing at-bats for Vlad.
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Also, clearing up the DH spot to be able to rotate in guys like Hernandez, Smoak, etc., I imagine. The team will be paying ~$50M this season for guys to play elsewhere, but, that's part of the stripping down process.
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Props to Jays management for not letting money get in the way of development.
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I agree. Get the younger guys at-bats and experience. See what you have.
 
bustaheims said:
The team will be paying ~$50M this season for guys to play elsewhere, but, that's part of the stripping down process.
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I still don't get why that's such a sticking point for some people. The Martin and Tulo deals were deals that anyone could have seen were going to look ugly near their end and when AA took them on it was discussed at the time.
 
Nik the Trik said:
bustaheims said:
The team will be paying ~$50M this season for guys to play elsewhere, but, that's part of the stripping down process.
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I still don't get why that's such a sticking point for some people. The Martin and Tulo deals were deals that anyone could have seen were going to look ugly near their end and when AA took them on it was discussed at the time.
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Yeah. It's not like baseball has a cap or the Jays are going come anywhere near the luxury tax threshold before those contracts expire. They were never going to spend that money elsewhere, the guys they moved/let go weren't likely to improve their trade value with Toronto, and their roster spots/playing time is better used on players the team hopes to develop into longer term pieces. Some people just don't like the idea of money being spent on nothing - even when it's not their money.
 
Looks like Rowdy Tellez is the first beneficiary of Morales being dealt. Showed some pop in a brief audition last season.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
bustaheims said:
The team will be paying ~$50M this season for guys to play elsewhere, but, that's part of the stripping down process.
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I still don't get why that's such a sticking point for some people. The Martin and Tulo deals were deals that anyone could have seen were going to look ugly near their end and when AA took them on it was discussed at the time.
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Yeah. It's not like baseball has a cap or the Jays are going come anywhere near the luxury tax threshold before those contracts expire. They were never going to spend that money elsewhere, the guys they moved/let go weren't likely to improve their trade value with Toronto, and their roster spots/playing time is better used on players the team hopes to develop into longer term pieces. Some people just don't like the idea of money being spent on nothing - even when it's not their money.
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I also think they believe that the money is being given to players no longer on the team as opposed to giving it to players that could help the team but I don't think that's the case either.
 
After the Morales trade, combined with the international money the Jays got from the Dwight Smith jr trade, the Jays have $1.5m to use on signing an international player which could return a very useful player. Jays spent just under $4m to get Vlad jr.
 
Nik the Trik said:
The Empire said:
...Jays are covering $10M and get international bonus money in return + Jesus (nobody) Lopez
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Probably clearing at-bats for Vlad.
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It's flexibility for Vlad to play DH if Drury is any good this year.  It's also a way to get Hernandez at bats if his defense in LF continues to be a tire fire.  It also lets Tellez get at bats until Vlad comes up at least.
 
Dappleganger said:
I also think they believe that the money is being given to players no longer on the team as opposed to giving it to players that could help the team but I don't think that's the case either.
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Maybe. I mean, unless they could have convinced another team to take on the full salary, the Jays were going to be paying these guys, regardless. Basically, that money was never going to be available to give to the guys they want to keep around long-term. Tulo, Martin, and Morales either got it from the Jays as a Jay, or from the Jays (indirectly, in the cases of Martin and Morales - their cheques will come from their new clubs, but those teams got the money to cover most of those cheques from the Jays) while on another team.
 
I get the optics of it aren't good,I get why it's a funny line to say but it's not like "The Jays are paying 50 million to guys on other teams" is better than "The guys are paying 50 million to guys contributing no value to the team" which is almost certainly what would happen if those guys stuck around.
 
Anthony Alford gets the call to replace the traded Kevin Pillar in the outfield.

It was one of the ways for the Jays to get Alford in the lineup.

Toronto...wanted to clear the way for outfield prospect Anthony Alford to ascend to the Majors in center field.
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https://www.mlb.com/news/giants-trade-for-kevin-pillar-from-blue-jays
 
Jays starter Matt Shoemaker, the team?s best pitcher so far this season, will be out for the year.  Diagnosed with a torn ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) or knee injury, Shoemaker was devastated at missing the season, a season of much success for himself being the Jays number one starter.

A huge blow for Toronto.  Who will replace Shoemaker? 

The Jays already have one other starter on the IL ? Ryan Borucki who is not slated to return until sometime next month.

Jays skipper Montoyo:
He was one of the best pitchers in baseball over the first month," manager Charlie Montoyo said. "It?s a tough loss for us.?
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An upset Shoemaker:
The biggest thing is it?s frustrating," he said. "I can deal with this stuff. I know I seem pretty upset right now, which I am, but I?ve had bumps in the road before and I?m just going to fight through it. That?s just who I am. It?s just really upsetting right now."
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Story:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-matt-shoemaker-year-torn-acl/

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Oh, crap.  There will be no Vlad in the lineup as reported.  Turns out it wasn?t legit.  Eventually but obviously not now.

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Via:
https://jaysjournal.com/2019/04/22/blue-jays-wont-call-up-vladimir-guerrero-jr-this-tuesday/
 
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