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Justin Schultz

LeafsInSeven said:
For example, before the full blown NHL draft (1969), players' rights were even more indentured to franchises at very young ages based on territorial rights held by the Canadian teams especially in Quebec and Ontario especially.
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That's not actually true.
 
LeafsInSeven said:
Fanatic said:
Potvin29 said:
Similar unrestricted young players have come on line in recent years, from Teddy Purcell to Matt Gilroy, from Fabian Brunnstrom to Jonas (The Monster) Gustavsson, from Jussi Rynnas to Mats (The Norwegian Hobbit) Zuccarello, from Christian Hanson to Tyler Bozak. Heck, once upon a time teams went bananas over Mike Van Ryn because he managed to make himself an unrestricted free agent

No, Cox, none of those guys were drafted when they were eligible.  They are not similar situations.
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True, but to be fair, there are more similarities than differences. You might be splitting hairs.

All of these players are guys who were ranked much higher 2 - 3 years after the draft than when the draft was held. They were all unrestricted free agents and there was a lot of hype around them all.
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Probably the best comparables to the Schultz free agency frenzy would be R.J. Umberger and Blake Wheeler who are players that the drafting franchises certainly would have signed if the player was willing to sign in one way or another.
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Yep, I think someone mentioned that in this thread or another one too.  The 2 Cox doesn't even mention (unless I missed it, I tend to skim his articles).
 
Nik? said:
LeafsInSeven said:
For example, before the full blown NHL draft (1969), players' rights were even more indentured to franchises at very young ages based on territorial rights held by the Canadian teams especially in Quebec and Ontario especially.
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That's not actually true.
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It could be false as it's uncited but it wasn't me who made it up. I knew I read it somewhere:

The Original Six era has been criticized for having a playoff system which was too easy (only two teams were eliminated after the regular season) and for featuring too many dominant teams[citation needed] (Montreal never missed the playoffs between 1949 and 1967 and Detroit and Toronto only missed three times each, leaving the other three teams to compete for the one remaining berth). Boston, Chicago, and New York were put at a competitive disadvantage by the rule that each team had exclusive rights to negotiate contracts with promising local players within 50 miles of its home ice.[citation needed] Detroit was less affected by this,[citation needed] since southwestern Ontario was part of its local talent pool. If a player was not within the 50-mile limit, that player was free to field offers from any team.[citation needed] Once that player agreed to a sponsorship-level contract, the NHL club could assign him to its sponsored junior squad ? its "sponsorship list". In practice, all six teams recruited players from Canada by sponsoring minor league, junior and amateur teams.
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An aside: I wonder how these "sponsorship-level contracts" were even legal? Surely minors shouldn't be legally bound to a contract and an organization for the rest of his life.
 
Bob McKenzie‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

NYR are in on Justin Schultz. @DarrenDreger confirms TOR is in, @Real_ESPNLeBrun confirms OTT is in. That makes it VAN, EDM, NYR, TOR, OTT.
 
LeafsInSeven said:
It could be false as it's uncited but it wasn't me who made it up. I knew I read it somewhere:
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I'm not sure where you're quoting that from but here's a good article on the subject(sort of, it's written by a snotty Habs fan) on the subject.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2009/8/1/972138/debunking-the-canadiens-french

LeafsInSeven said:
An aside: I wonder how these "sponsorship-level contracts" were even legal? Surely minors shouldn't be legally bound to a contract and an organization for the rest of his life.
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Well, the major reason that the contractual obligations between players and teams have changed so much over the last 45 years is because the leagues got taken to court repeatedly and found out that a lot of what they were doing wasn't legal. So Andy Messersmith won his case and struck down MLB's reserve clause and John Mackey won his case that got NFL players free agency and so on.

Now it seems to be generally agreed upon that teams get to control their players for a limited amount of time, 5-6 years or so if they sign a contract seems to be the standard, but that they get they eventually are freed from their obligations to a team.

So that's why people don't find this process repugnant. Schultz got drafted, the Ducks controlled his rights for a while but it's unreasonable to expect them to control them forever. As I said when Bill Sweatt did this to the Blackhawks and then the Leafs, I'm always surprised that more players don't take this route.
 
Potvin29 said:
Yeah, we should come to expect by now that these things are going to be hyped up, we've seen it happen numerous times the last few years already.  It's the nature of modern media.
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What ever happened to the annual "next <<insert star Swedish player name here>>"?
 
Pretty good write up on Schultz' "bust potential" and his expected NHL performance: http://canucksarmy.com/2012/6/28/on-the-sweepstakes-justin-schultzs-bust-potential-and-earning-ice-time
 
Fanatic said:
Bob McKenzie‏@TSNBobMcKenzie

NYR are in on Justin Schultz. @DarrenDreger confirms TOR is in, @Real_ESPNLeBrun confirms OTT is in. That makes it VAN, EDM, NYR, TOR, OTT.
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Frick me if the Rangers get him....  >:( >:( >:(  I would almost rather see the Canucks get him than the Rags.

Did they not report yesterday that he declined to meet with Edmonton?


 
Zee said:
Haven't even seen him play and i'm already sick of hearing about Schultz.
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Let's talk about this Schultz instead...

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DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT.  Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.

Real_ESPNLeBrun: Calgary, Boston and Detroit also among high-profile teams that didn't make Justin Shultz short-list...
 
bustaheims said:
DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT.  Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.

Real_ESPNLeBrun: Calgary, Boston and Detroit also among high-profile teams that didn't make Justin Shultz short-list...
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If the list is accurate, it is interesting to see some of his priorities.  4 Canadian teams, only 1 American team.. of the 5, two are "contenders" and the other three I would dare say are up and coming.  No Calgary or Mtl on his heavily Canadian short list... suggests he thinks they will suck for a long time (true) and the other options could be good teams sooner.
 
Corn Flake said:
No Calgary or Mtl on his heavily Canadian short list... suggests he thinks they will suck for a long time (true) and the other options could be good teams sooner.
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Nik? said:
Corn Flake said:
No Calgary or Mtl on his heavily Canadian short list... suggests he thinks they will suck for a long time (true) and the other options could be good teams sooner.
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