cw said:
I'd have virtually no interest in Crosby right now if it meant giving up a boatload of assets to get him. I think there's actually a lot of teams in the league that wouldn't be interested.
Does that say anything about Crosby's value?
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I'd have virtually no interest in Crosby right now if it meant giving up a boatload of assets to get him. I think there's actually a lot of teams in the league that wouldn't be interested.
Does that say anything about Crosby's value?
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Potvin29 said:
"I?m excited, right?"
mr grieves said:
It's a shame that the media were such douches toward him. The guy actually gives a really good interview when he's not being constantly attacked. You don't often hear him spouting off those bland cliches. He speaks like a real person would.
Nik the Trik said:
That's not really the point.
The point is no team would be asking the Pens to eat 15% of Crosby's salary unless there was some extraordinary offset beyond Crobsy's talent return.
If we don't like Crosby as an example, this really applies to all good top NHLers who are are paid what is perceived as market value and not widely regarded as overpaid. if the player is paid reasonably, there's no need to bring % of salary as a variable in the trade haggling.
It was predicted this would take place with Kessel and Phanuef in a trade and now, with Kessel it has. But we still face denial of Kessel's contract being a problem. That's all I see this is: denial that Kessel was overpaid.
Kin
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It's also probably worth mentioning that this year's trade/UFA markets were essentially hamstrung by the smaller than expected cap growth. Just about any trade that involved a player with significant money or term owed to them(or that they were seeking) ended with an underwhelming return. Chicago shopped Patrick Sharp hard and found no takers, Boston didn't get great value on Dougie Hamilton, most free agents got less than people expected.
Teams being lukewarm on adding money certainly didn't begin or end with Phil Kessel.
Teams being lukewarm on adding money certainly didn't begin or end with Phil Kessel.
Kin
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cw said:
It's not the point you were trying to make, no, but it's absolutely an applicable point when talking about the value of the two players. The interest in Crosby would absolutely be affected by what the Penguins wanted for him, just like this was here.
cw said:
Wrong again. Lucic wasn't widely regarded as being overpaid. But Boston still retained salary on him. Daniel Winnik was reasonably paid last year, but the Penguins still wanted the Leafs to eat salary when they traded for him too.
Retaining salary is going to be a part of any trade discussion when a team is at or near the cap because, again, it's just another asset.
cw said:
Man, it sure is a shame you were coincidentally absent for weeks after the Babcock hiring. Didn't really feel up to talking about predictions then, huh?
cw said:
Crosby. I'm glad we've been able to establish this twice now.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Wow, a lot of people in this thread would take the best player in the world at well below market rate over Kessel at market rate or slightly below market rate!
cw said:
Just quickly looking at some guys in his cap-hit territory and I'd take Kessel over Staal, Spezza, Krejci, Ryan, both Sedins, Stastny, Semin (I know, bought out). I'd probably take him over Parise too, especially when you factor in that Parise's cap hit is only as low as it is because of now-illegal contract tactics.
I am fine with this deal. Kessel was not a good fit for what the Leafs need moving forward.
I think the sleeper in this deal is Scott Harrington. Watched him a lot in the Memorial Cup and World Juniors and he was very solid and assistant captain in his last go around. Hunter knows his character. Not super flashy but really solid all around. If he develops under Babcock into something equivalent to an Anton Strahlman that will be fine. He's only 22, so we don't know his upside yet.
Getting Kessel out though, I think is addition by substraction. Yes, we'll miss the goals short term, but this isn't about short term anyway.
Shanahan and Babcock want a different vibe in the dressing room clearly.
I think the sleeper in this deal is Scott Harrington. Watched him a lot in the Memorial Cup and World Juniors and he was very solid and assistant captain in his last go around. Hunter knows his character. Not super flashy but really solid all around. If he develops under Babcock into something equivalent to an Anton Strahlman that will be fine. He's only 22, so we don't know his upside yet.
Getting Kessel out though, I think is addition by substraction. Yes, we'll miss the goals short term, but this isn't about short term anyway.
Shanahan and Babcock want a different vibe in the dressing room clearly.
CarltonTheBear said:
On the basis of price performance over the next 7 years - taking on that contract for 7 more years at $8 mil, I'd probably take the whole gang of players you listed over 7 years of Phil at $8 mil/yr. Many of them are scoring similarly to him last year and have deals ending much sooner. Kessel's going to be pretty good for a few years but in the latter part of his contract, I think his lack of fitness will catch up to him.
If I'm in Rutherford's position, I might take Kessel because the wick for that GM is likely short and if he fails, he won't be around to deal with the latter half of that deal anyway - it will be the next GM's problem. So other circumstances can change what one might do.
I think Ryan's a better all around player - more than points. Staal and Spezza help as centers. etc. Sedins should be similar for a couple of more years. etc.