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Laughton to LA

Toronto acquired Laughton with 50% salary retained and an extra year of control on his deal, expecting him to be a 3C. L.A acquired with him no salary retention and an expiring contract, playing as a 4C. It didn't work out, obviously, but this isn't as mind-blowing, fire the GM type of an offense that people seem to be making it out to be.
 
azzurri63 said:
I said this long ago. Writing was on the wall. Inept managemnt last decade really from Shanny Dubas and on down. Roster looks like crap, minor league system is crap, prospect pool thin, no drafts wow. We won't see the playoffs for a while. Tre and company should be overseas working super hard to find some guys that can actually make a difference because we have nothing absolutely nothing that's going to be of immediate help.
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Tre and his guys should be overseas definitely. But not managing a hockey team. Not even one in the Alps hockey league or The DEL2.
 
Andy007 said:
Toronto acquired Laughton with 50% salary retained and an extra year of control on his deal, expecting him to be a 3C. L.A acquired with him no salary retention and an expiring contract, playing as a 4C. It didn't work out, obviously, but this isn't as mind-blowing, fire the GM type of an offense that people seem to be making it out to be.
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I still don't think it was worth paying that. Would the team really be much different without him on the roster last season and this? Just horrible pro scouting.
 
Bender said:
I still don't think it was worth paying that. Would the team really be much different without him on the roster last season and this? Just horrible pro scouting.
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I don't think so either. I'm just putting it in the context of that fact that his price was elevated due to having an extra year of control and 50%/max salary Cap retention, which weren't part of the price for L.A. And his numbers have taken a nosedive from Philly to Toronto. Take the 3rd round pick and run.

And re: scouting, I mean, is that the issue or is the issue the way he has been utilized/team philosophy/coaching? His ice time has dropped, he's been used mostly as a 4th liner here and his point totals have pretty much been cut in half. Just a worst case scenario, which seems to be par for the course for this team.
 
Andy007 said:
I don't think so either. I'm just putting it in the context of that fact that his price was elevated due to having an extra year of control and 50%/max salary Cap retention, which weren't part of the price for L.A. And his numbers have taken a nosedive from Philly to Toronto. Take the 3rd round pick and run.

And re: scouting, I mean, is that the issue or is the issue the way he has been utilized/team philosophy/coaching? His ice time has dropped, he's been used mostly as a 4th liner here and his point totals have pretty much been cut in half. Just a worst case scenario, which seems to be par for the course for this team.
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Coaching is definitely part of the issue, no question. Laughton is just one of many players who have looked worse under Bérubé. The pro scouting needs help and has for a while, but coaching has been awful.
 
Andy007 said:
Toronto acquired Laughton with 50% salary retained and an extra year of control on his deal, expecting him to be a 3C. L.A acquired with him no salary retention and an expiring contract, playing as a 4C. It didn't work out, obviously, but this isn't as mind-blowing, fire the GM type of an offense that people seem to be making it out to be.
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This is correct. Still feels bad.

There’s a world in which Laughton was deployed as more than just a balder David Kampf, where there is a higher return if he had to be traded. Of course in that world, Leafs probably wouldn’t be selling.
 
bustaheims said:
Doing his part to make that pick a 2nd rounder
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Absolutely ridiculous how you trade for this guy who's been a top 6 player his whole career and you bury him on the 4th line and play him whatever 10 minutes a game. Team is a joke. Why wouldn't you move him up in the lineup to bolster his stats if you planned on trading him away. Berube and Tre should be gone or better be by summer.
 
herman said:
This is correct. Still feels bad.

There’s a world in which Laughton was deployed as more than just a balder David Kampf, where there is a higher return if he had to be traded. Of course in that world, Leafs probably wouldn’t be selling.
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I disagree. He should have been playing higher up in the lineup. He should have been 3C at worst and possibly second line. Hell move him to the wing he's better than some of the crap that we've seen and I preferred him over Roy at 3C.
 
Andy007 said:
Toronto acquired Laughton with 50% salary retained and an extra year of control on his deal, expecting him to be a 3C. L.A acquired with him no salary retention and an expiring contract, playing as a 4C. It didn't work out, obviously, but this isn't as mind-blowing, fire the GM type of an offense that people seem to be making it out to be.
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Trade deadline is a bidding war. Things can get crazy.
I'm no Treliving fan. They obviously won the bid to get his services.
I'd been looking at him for a couple of years.
He was a good character center who could score some and PK, etc - pretty good player.
As I recall at the time, they obviously paid a little more than what some other team was offering.
It is crazy deadline overpayment. No question.
I'm not a fan of a lot of these kinds of trades. Dubas started way too soon on them.
Maybe Treliving knew this was his last shot with the core 4 and went for it.
I'm not sure.
So I would not heartily disagree with this particular transaction:
"this isn't as mind-blowing, fire the GM type of an offense that people seem to be making it out to be."
However, it sure is painful when things don't work out as hoped.
 
cw said:
Trade deadline is a bidding war. Things can get crazy.
I'm no Treliving fan. They obviously won the bid to get his services.
I'd been looking at him for a couple of years.
He was a good character center who could score some and PK, etc - pretty good player.
As I recall at the time, they obviously paid a little more than what some other team was offering.
It is crazy deadline overpayment. No question.
I'm not a fan of a lot of these kinds of trades. Dubas started way too soon on them.
Maybe Treliving knew this was his last shot with the core 4 and went for it.
I'm not sure.
So I would not heartily disagree with this particular transaction:
"this isn't as mind-blowing, fire the GM type of an offense that people seem to be making it out to be."
However, it sure is painful when things don't work out as hoped.
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I mean obviously the moves are in aggregate. Almost no single move is fireable, its the accumulation of bad trades along with the optics specifically of turning a first (which will now likely be high) and Grebenkin into a 3rd for a year of service of a poorly deployed Scott Laughton.
 
I will go back to my main point, Berube should be fired way back in november/december. They decide to do nothing all year, without a 1st rounder this year. Tre and Company decided to rely on Berube and the team to turn around.

The only coaches I would keep are the video replay coaches, the PK coach and Steve Sullivan, everyone else should be fired, including Tre and Berube.

If they had a different coach in november this team could be in a playoff spot or close outside looking in.
 
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