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Dappleganger said:
Chicago could easily switch to something like this and lose the racial identity:

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You're obviously not aware of the Bird Advocates Network, or at least you've never had to go up against them.

They are powerful advocates of the Black Hawk, and would successfully argue the image you so ignorantly selected portrays the Black Hawk as aggressive or predatory animal (they are neither).

You do not want to F with the BAN.  I suggest you delete the image immediately before they come for you.
 
Frank E said:
Dappleganger said:
Chicago could easily switch to something like this and lose the racial identity:

51876572bcb8da275ed06f26c9b905d4.jpg

You're obviously not aware of the Bird Advocates Network, or at least you've never had to go up against them.

They are powerful advocates of the Black Hawk, and would successfully argue the image you so ignorantly selected portrays the Black Hawk as aggressive or predatory animal (they are neither).

You do not want to F with the BAN.  I suggest you delete the image immediately before they come for you.

Actually, if you could zoom out on the image you'd see it is not in a predatory or aggressive pose, it's actually delivering an Amazon package. It's basically a modern stork, very unaggressive.

 
berserker said:
Nik said:
berserker said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
As long as CHI is on an embarrassment roll they need to get rid of their racist logo.

Nothing racist about the logo.  It is actually honoring a Chief

I think it's pretty telling that you think this logo is doing a historical figure an honor when you describe that person as "a Chief" and not by his actual name which, given the circumstances, is pretty easy to remember.

Which, of course, is the argument in a nutshell. It's not really honouring anyone but reducing them to mascots.


  Chief.  Is not a racist remarks.  A chief is still elected along with the council members. The
Chief still wears a headdress at most ceremonies.  People are so worried about  not offending anyone that you. Start to fight battles
That are not even there let alone yours

Unfortunately the new world we live in. I can understand some of it but my God gone a little overboard. Went shopping with my 86 year old Mother the other day and she says I need some pancake syrup. Looking for Aunt Jemima which no longer exists and now is called Pearl Milling Company.
 
azzurri63 said:
Went shopping with my 86 year old Mother the other day and she says I need some pancake syrup. Looking for Aunt Jemima which no longer exists and now is called Pearl Milling Company.

This bothers you why exactly?
 
Joe S. said:
azzurri63 said:
Went shopping with my 86 year old Mother the other day and she says I need some pancake syrup. Looking for Aunt Jemima which no longer exists and now is called Pearl Milling Company.

This bothers you why exactly?

86 years old, must really slow down the shopping process. I'd be upset too.
 
berserker said:
Nik said:
berserker said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
As long as CHI is on an embarrassment roll they need to get rid of their racist logo.

Nothing racist about the logo.  It is actually honoring a Chief

I think it's pretty telling that you think this logo is doing a historical figure an honor when you describe that person as "a Chief" and not by his actual name which, given the circumstances, is pretty easy to remember.

Which, of course, is the argument in a nutshell. It's not really honouring anyone but reducing them to mascots.


  Chief.  Is not a racist remarks.  A chief is still elected along with the council members. The
Chief still wears a headdress at most ceremonies.  People are so worried about  not offending anyone that you. Start to fight battles
That are not even there let alone yours

And yet, amusingly, you are getting upset and offended at this.

The tone deaf "it's not offensive to me so its not racist" takes here are pretty funny.
 
berserker said:
  Chief.  Is not a racist remarks. 

That's great although I didn't say that "Chief" was a "racist remark". What I said was that when you were talking about the person this logo is supposedly honouring you didn't use his name but rather referred to him as "a chief" which, to my mind, emphasized the point the groups who are opposed to this sort of "honour" tend to make which is that it dehumanizes people and presents them as mascots.

Both the Cleveland Baseball Team and Washington Football Team who have agreed to change their names used to justify their own team names by claiming they were "honouring" people but rather than actually referring to these people simply used a stand in word(or, in Washington's case, slur) for that person's entire race. This is, I think, a pretty lousy honour. The equivalent of deciding to honour, say, someone like Jonas Salk by naming a Medical School "The Jewish Guy Medical School" instead of, you know, his name.

Black Hawk was a real person who we know quite a bit about, including what he looked like. The Chicago logo does not represent him very well and, again, reduces him to effectively a mascot which is something that the American Psychological Association says does real damage to people. The name/logo is understandably opposed by many prominent Native groups.

Also, and this is where I'm happy to say I'm quite a ways out of my depths, but in my brief reading on the subject I don't think Black Hawk was "a Chief" in the way we think of them today.
 
We should remove the maple leaf from the leaf jersey. Its an insult to all maple trees as there green and sometimes red and yellow. But blue...🤐🤐 I know it's a new world but in my opinion it's gone way overboard.  Its a friggen 100+ year old hockey jersey. I hate this new sensitiv susie world...
 
Today of all goddamn days can people save their absolutely braindead opinions about how people these days are too sensitive. Hope that doesn't offend any of you.
 
Nik said:
berserker said:
  Chief.  Is not a racist remarks. 

That's great although I didn't say that "Chief" was a "racist remark". What I said was that when you were talking about the person this logo is supposedly honouring you didn't use his name but rather referred to him as "a chief" which, to my mind, emphasized the point the groups who are opposed to this sort of "honour" tend to make which is that it dehumanizes people and presents them as mascots.

Both the Cleveland Baseball Team and Washington Football Team who have agreed to change their names used to justify their own team names by claiming they were "honouring" people but rather than actually referring to these people simply used a stand in word(or, in Washington's case, slur) for that person's entire race. This is, I think, a pretty lousy honour. The equivalent of deciding to honour, say, someone like Jonas Salk by naming a Medical School "The Jewish Guy Medical School" instead of, you know, his name.

Black Hawk was a real person who we know quite a bit about, including what he looked like. The Chicago logo does not represent him very well and, again, reduces him to effectively a mascot which is something that the American Psychological Association says does real damage to people. The name/logo is understandably opposed by many prominent Native groups.

Also, and this is where I'm happy to say I'm quite a ways out of my depths, but in my brief reading on the subject I don't think Black Hawk was "a Chief" in the way we think of them today.

Upon further reading myself you
are correct he was not a chief . He was a great
warrior.  But you assumed that I used the term chief in a negative or racist manner far from it
If you want to fight a battle fight for me ...
I hate the name Montreal Canadiens . In no way does that team represent me . They do not even spell Canadian properly.?
 
berserker said:
But you assumed that I used the term chief in a negative or racist manner far from it

No, what I said was that your use of the term "Chief" instead of the person's name was indicative of how the use of a person as a caricatured logo dehumanizes them and doesn't do much to honour who they actually were or what they did.
 
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Anyone who doesn't look at this to some extent through a historical context is just a straight up simple minded imbecile.
 
Toews managing to get out of COVID protocol just late enough to avoid having media availability during the day. 
 
Joe S. said:
azzurri63 said:
Went shopping with my 86 year old Mother the other day and she says I need some pancake syrup. Looking for Aunt Jemima which no longer exists and now is called Pearl Milling Company.

This bothers you why exactly?

Because where does it end? Who was it offending? Whether it was right or wrong been that way for 100 years.
 

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