Leafs @ Canadiens - Oct. 1st, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050

[Andy007]

Reimer was a beast. Single-handedly won this one, despite Franson's attempt to pass directly to every single Canadien player.

Kind of a tough game to watch, even though there was scoring and tons of fights. Weird flow to the game, not to mention the awful commentators. I think Healy has gone beyond self-parody and dipped into senility.

Franson? Really were we watching the same game? He was the steadiest of the D
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And while that might even be true it still doesn't negate my observation of his porous passing. 

 

[Bullfrog]

The fact we've been listening to it for three months is probably why people are sick of hearing about Grabovski. I don't give a crap one way or another. The Leafs won. That's sweet enough in my books.

I think that was probably Deebo's point. Some Leafs fans (or any team's fans) can't let go and like to beat dead horses. But I don't Grabovski is in that category yet. He just played his first post-Leafs game.

 

[maplesyrup]

Happy for the win, sad for Parros. I'm not voting in the MotM having missed most of the game but in the parts that I saw, man, did JvR look good. I saw some pretty crafty stick-work from him along with some pretty headsy passes. Was he as solid all game long?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

The fact we've been listening to it for three months is probably why people are sick of hearing about Grabovski. I don't give a crap one way or another. The Leafs won. That's sweet enough in my books.

I think that was probably Deebo's point. Some Leafs fans (or any team's fans) can't let go and like to beat dead horses. But I don't Grabovski is in that category yet. He just played his first post-Leafs game.

Perhaps I just lose interest in hearing negative BS all the time.

The fact that Grabovski went to the media and ripped the coach is enough for me to be glad he's gone actually.

 

[Zee]

Reimer was a beast. Single-handedly won this one, despite Franson's attempt to pass directly to every single Canadien player.

Kind of a tough game to watch, even though there was scoring and tons of fights. Weird flow to the game, not to mention the awful commentators. I think Healy has gone beyond self-parody and dipped into senility.

Franson? Really were we watching the same game? He was the steadiest of the D
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And while that might even be true it still doesn't negate my observation of his porous passing.

Given that a bunch of fans who watched the game saw fit to vote Franson either man of the match or honorable mention, i'd say you're in the minority here thinking he played awful.  Seriously he was the best defenseman last night.  Gardiner was the issue.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Yeah, I didn't like Gardiner and Ranger's game last night. I would insert Rielly for Ranger tonight.

 

[Andy007]

Reimer was a beast. Single-handedly won this one, despite Franson's attempt to pass directly to every single Canadien player.

Kind of a tough game to watch, even though there was scoring and tons of fights. Weird flow to the game, not to mention the awful commentators. I think Healy has gone beyond self-parody and dipped into senility.

Franson? Really were we watching the same game? He was the steadiest of the D
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And while that might even be true it still doesn't negate my observation of his porous passing.

Given that a bunch of fans who watched the game saw fit to vote Franson either man of the match or honorable mention, i'd say you're in the minority here thinking he played awful.  Seriously he was the best defenseman last night.  Gardiner was the issue.

Again, that isn't saying much as the Leafs defence sucked last night.

I'm not sure what voting in the MOM thread has to do with me ripping Franson's passing. Furthermore, I didn't say he was awful. I said his passing was awful and he kept giving the puck away, which he did. But he, overall, wasn't bad last night, other than his atrocious passing. Do I need to convert my responses to Tapatalk for you?

 

[moon111]

Random thoughts:

• Franson is credited with half of the Leafs entire turn-overs.  :
• Grabovski's offense is better with Ovechkin then MacArthur.
• Kadri won 2/3rds of his face-offs.
• Looked like Montreal beat the cap by filling in their roster in with Timbit players.
• Andrei Markov leads league in Giveaways.  Didn't look good.
• Does Montreal have any players not named Lars Eller?
• Reimer was a beast.
• Mason Raymond seems like a steal.  4th most ice-time among Leaf forwards.
• Ashton, Ranger, Gardiner didn't impress.
• Mark Fraser spent almost a quarter of his ice-time killing penalty-killing.

 

[Stickytape]

Happy for the win, sad for Parros. I'm not voting in the MotM having missed most of the game but in the parts that I saw, man, did JvR look good. I saw some pretty crafty stick-work from him along with some pretty headsy passes. Was he as solid all game long?

He scored the first goal of the entire season, if that helps.  I think his skating has improved quite a bit since last year, and hes playing with confidence.  I still love his work in front of the net.  This should be a good year for him.

 

[Crucialness Key]

Random thoughts:

• Kadri won 2/3rds of his face-offs.
  

#1C 

 

[Zee]

Reimer was a beast. Single-handedly won this one, despite Franson's attempt to pass directly to every single Canadien player.

Kind of a tough game to watch, even though there was scoring and tons of fights. Weird flow to the game, not to mention the awful commentators. I think Healy has gone beyond self-parody and dipped into senility.

Franson? Really were we watching the same game? He was the steadiest of the D
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And while that might even be true it still doesn't negate my observation of his porous passing.

Given that a bunch of fans who watched the game saw fit to vote Franson either man of the match or honorable mention, i'd say you're in the minority here thinking he played awful.  Seriously he was the best defenseman last night.  Gardiner was the issue.

Again, that isn't saying much as the Leafs defence sucked last night.

I'm not sure what voting in the MOM thread has to do with me ripping Franson's passing. Furthermore, I didn't say he was awful. I said his passing was awful and he kept giving the puck away, which he did. But he, overall, wasn't bad last night, other than his atrocious passing. Do I need to convert my responses to Tapatalk for you?

I have no idea why you're being so standoffish.  Franson gave the puck away twice, neither of which resulted in a goal given that he was a +1 on the night.  If Franson's passing was the biggest issue, the Leafs defense is in serious peril since, like I said, he was the best defenseman last night.

He also missed most of preseason, so him being the best d-man speaks to how valuable he is.  With more games his timing will get  better.

 

[Andy007]

Reimer was a beast. Single-handedly won this one, despite Franson's attempt to pass directly to every single Canadien player.

Kind of a tough game to watch, even though there was scoring and tons of fights. Weird flow to the game, not to mention the awful commentators. I think Healy has gone beyond self-parody and dipped into senility.

Franson? Really were we watching the same game? He was the steadiest of the D
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And while that might even be true it still doesn't negate my observation of his porous passing.

Given that a bunch of fans who watched the game saw fit to vote Franson either man of the match or honorable mention, i'd say you're in the minority here thinking he played awful.  Seriously he was the best defenseman last night.  Gardiner was the issue.

Again, that isn't saying much as the Leafs defence sucked last night.

I'm not sure what voting in the MOM thread has to do with me ripping Franson's passing. Furthermore, I didn't say he was awful. I said his passing was awful and he kept giving the puck away, which he did. But he, overall, wasn't bad last night, other than his atrocious passing. Do I need to convert my responses to Tapatalk for you?

I have no idea why you're being so standoffish.  Franson gave the puck away twice, neither of which resulted in a goal given that he was a +1 on the night.  If Franson's passing was the biggest issue, the Leafs defense is in serious peril since, like I said, he was the best defenseman last night.

He also missed most of preseason, so him being the best d-man speaks to how valuable he is.  With more games his timing will get  better.

All these points you are bringing up are great, i just don't know what they have to do with me acknowledging how bad Franson's passing was last night. And it seems at the end of your post ("with more games his timing will get better") that you agree that his game needs refining. And "standoffishy?" Seriously, are we dating? I really don't know what's you want to hear.

 

[Zee]

Reimer was a beast. Single-handedly won this one, despite Franson's attempt to pass directly to every single Canadien player.

Kind of a tough game to watch, even though there was scoring and tons of fights. Weird flow to the game, not to mention the awful commentators. I think Healy has gone beyond self-parody and dipped into senility.

Franson? Really were we watching the same game? He was the steadiest of the D
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And while that might even be true it still doesn't negate my observation of his porous passing.

Given that a bunch of fans who watched the game saw fit to vote Franson either man of the match or honorable mention, i'd say you're in the minority here thinking he played awful.  Seriously he was the best defenseman last night.  Gardiner was the issue.

Again, that isn't saying much as the Leafs defence sucked last night.

I'm not sure what voting in the MOM thread has to do with me ripping Franson's passing. Furthermore, I didn't say he was awful. I said his passing was awful and he kept giving the puck away, which he did. But he, overall, wasn't bad last night, other than his atrocious passing. Do I need to convert my responses to Tapatalk for you?

I have no idea why you're being so standoffish.  Franson gave the puck away twice, neither of which resulted in a goal given that he was a +1 on the night.  If Franson's passing was the biggest issue, the Leafs defense is in serious peril since, like I said, he was the best defenseman last night.

He also missed most of preseason, so him being the best d-man speaks to how valuable he is.  With more games his timing will get  better.

All these points you are bringing up are great, i just don't know what they have to do with me acknowledging how bad Franson's passing was last night. And it seems at the end of your post ("with more games his timing will get better") that you agree that his game needs refining. And "standoffishy?" Seriously, are we dating? I really don't know what's you want to hear.

Your original post said something to the effect that the Leafs won DESPITE Franson, as if he was an issue last night and almost cost the Leafs the game.  Most people acknowledged he was the best defenseman all game long, so the fact you're singling out Franson makes no sense when there were other defenesmen who actually almost cost the Leafs the win.  (Gardiner and Ranger).  When I called you on it you made a snide remark "Do I need to convert my responses to Tapatalk for you?" which was the standoffish part.  My point was, Franson was not an issue last night, in fact he contributed to the win.  If Gardiner and Ranger had played like Franson, the Leafs win that one going away.

 

[Stronger Than All]

Kept getting an error while trying to post from the new Tapatalk app last night. 

I liked from the 2nd period on they were able to put up a couple of goals and defend the lead well once they got it back.  Yes there was the little scare at the end but not too much of a big deal.

Dion needs some consistency even though he had the big goal.  Bozak seems to know how to seize an opportunity well.  Alot of players you could mention tonight.  Bodie won me over, although I wanted Ashton with more icetime, what are you gonna do.

Less Leaf fans than usual, I guess no road trips on a Tuesday.

 

[Andy007]

So if Gardiner keeps making plays like the Lars Eller goal, but the other team doesn't score, does that mean he played great? Franson was lucky the Canadiens didn't score; he kept feeding them passes in his own zone. Now, as I said, he wasn't bad overall, but imo he certainly wasn't man of the match. Some people thought he was and some thought he wasn't. The Canadiens could have easily been up 4-1 early if they capitalized on his horrendous passing, which is why I brought him up.

 

[Zee]

So if Gardiner keeps making plays like the Lars Eller goal, but the other team doesn't score, does that mean he played great? Franson was lucky the Canadiens didn't score; he kept feeding them passes in his own zone. Now, as I said, he wasn't bad overall, but imo he certainly wasn't man of the match. Some people thought he was and some thought he wasn't. The Canadiens could have easily been up 4-1 early if they capitalized on his horrendous passing, which is why I brought him up.

He was only credited with 2 giveaways, but helped contribute to a goal.  Giving the puck away isn't the worst thing in the world if you can recover and it doesn't cause a goal.  Overall he was the best defenseman.  Maybe you think Franson gave the puck away more than he did judging by your "kept feeding them passes in his own zone". 

 

[Andy007]

So if Gardiner keeps making plays like the Lars Eller goal, but the other team doesn't score, does that mean he played great? Franson was lucky the Canadiens didn't score; he kept feeding them passes in his own zone. Now, as I said, he wasn't bad overall, but imo he certainly wasn't man of the match. Some people thought he was and some thought he wasn't. The Canadiens could have easily been up 4-1 early if they capitalized on his horrendous passing, which is why I brought him up.

He was only credited with 2 giveaways, but helped contribute to a goal.  Giving the puck away isn't the worst thing in the world if you can recover and it doesn't cause a goal.  Overall he was the best defenseman.  Maybe you think Franson gave the puck away more than he did judging by your "kept feeding them passes in his own zone".

I'm asking this sincerely, not with irony, but did you watch the game?

Again, you are entitled to your opinion that he was "overall the best defenceman." I am also entitled to qualify that statement by arguing that the best of crap isn't exactly anything to clamour on about.

In addition to the two giveaways, he also had trouble making clean passes to his teammates, which don't qualify as giveaways. The whole defence was kind of a mess last night. No big deal, really. The End? Please?

 

[Bender]

The fact we've been listening to it for three months is probably why people are sick of hearing about Grabovski. I don't give a crap one way or another. The Leafs won. That's sweet enough in my books.

Especially when it's one game.

 

[Bender]

So if Gardiner keeps making plays like the Lars Eller goal, but the other team doesn't score, does that mean he played great? Franson was lucky the Canadiens didn't score; he kept feeding them passes in his own zone. Now, as I said, he wasn't bad overall, but imo he certainly wasn't man of the match. Some people thought he was and some thought he wasn't. The Canadiens could have easily been up 4-1 early if they capitalized on his horrendous passing, which is why I brought him up.

He was only credited with 2 giveaways, but helped contribute to a goal.  Giving the puck away isn't the worst thing in the world if you can recover and it doesn't cause a goal.  Overall he was the best defenseman.  Maybe you think Franson gave the puck away more than he did judging by your "kept feeding them passes in his own zone".

I'm asking this sincerely, not with irony, but did you watch the game?

Again, you are entitled to your opinion that he was "overall the best defenceman." I am also entitled to qualify that statement by arguing that the best of crap isn't exactly anything to clamour on about.

In addition to the two giveaways, he also had trouble making clean passes to his teammates, which don't qualify as giveaways. The whole defence was kind of a mess last night. No big deal, really. The End? Please?

I thought Franson was one of the lesser worries out there myself. Jussayin.

 

[Zee]

So if Gardiner keeps making plays like the Lars Eller goal, but the other team doesn't score, does that mean he played great? Franson was lucky the Canadiens didn't score; he kept feeding them passes in his own zone. Now, as I said, he wasn't bad overall, but imo he certainly wasn't man of the match. Some people thought he was and some thought he wasn't. The Canadiens could have easily been up 4-1 early if they capitalized on his horrendous passing, which is why I brought him up.

He was only credited with 2 giveaways, but helped contribute to a goal.  Giving the puck away isn't the worst thing in the world if you can recover and it doesn't cause a goal.  Overall he was the best defenseman.  Maybe you think Franson gave the puck away more than he did judging by your "kept feeding them passes in his own zone".

I'm asking this sincerely, not with irony, but did you watch the game?

Again, you are entitled to your opinion that he was "overall the best defenceman." I am also entitled to qualify that statement by arguing that the best of crap isn't exactly anything to clamour on about.

In addition to the two giveaways, he also had trouble making clean passes to his teammates, which don't qualify as giveaways. The whole defence was kind of a mess last night. No big deal, really. The End? Please?

I did watch the game, and I noted that Franson was doing many things to help the Leafs win.  I commented on how he made two great keep-ins during a powerplay that kept the pressure on the Habs, and I also commented when he used his stick to block a shoot-in, which was a great timed in-air bat down of the puck.  He's a smart player, and he was the steadiest d-man out there.  You're entitled to your opinion, but apparently you're the only person who said he was an issue last night.  I pointed out the "man of the match" thread because many fans who also watched the game noted that Franson was a positive influence on the game judging by all the votes he received.  You're in a huge minority here criticizing Franson's play last night.