Leafs claim Frazer McLaren on waivers from San Jose
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Britishbulldog
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Potvin29 said:
Point taken. I guess when it is on a breakaway and is a bump rather than a 'Cam Jannsen' style attempt to injure I saw it less 'dirty' deserving a suspension and more 'rough' play deserving a penalty.
Buffalo had no player who could respond last year though. It was sad to watch the last 3 games between Buffalo and Boston.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TERA-GY2K1o[/youtube]
You might want to mute the audio though because the TV commentators make it sound like Miller was killed.
Britishbulldog
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BrownRolo said:
It's funny because I didn't see the Bruins as dirty typically, I see Boston as a bunch of bullies. Tonight, their main bully got pounded. The only reason I wouldn't feel sorry for a Boston player is that they have done the same thing to many other players in the league the last 3 years.
I'll admit that I cheered when Colton Orr beat Lucic after Lucic challenged him.
Champ Kind
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While I get wrapped up in the bloodthirsty excitement when a fight breaks out, the logical and human side of my brain acknoweldges how stupid it really is. The genesis of removing fighting from hockey will come from the junior leagues. David Branch, I think, is a champion in this regard and I see even more restrictions on fighting coming to the OHL.
I understand Carlyle's opinion, having been ingrained in the traditional hockey culture for so long. But to suggest that things have to remain the way they always have been is absolute bunk. Cultures can be changed. Scratch that - cultures need to be changed, especially when they promote or advocate arcane behavior. I won't try and compare changing attitudes in a sport to changing socio-economic mores, but it wouldn't take long to look at some major 20'th century events and say the world is better off now that it was then.
I understand Carlyle's opinion, having been ingrained in the traditional hockey culture for so long. But to suggest that things have to remain the way they always have been is absolute bunk. Cultures can be changed. Scratch that - cultures need to be changed, especially when they promote or advocate arcane behavior. I won't try and compare changing attitudes in a sport to changing socio-economic mores, but it wouldn't take long to look at some major 20'th century events and say the world is better off now that it was then.
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BrownRolo said:
Oh yeah, the Boston announcers for NESN I believe it is, are such homers I actually find it offensive to listen to. They are so smug and incredibly arrogant. Getting excited about your home team is one thing but these guys take it to a whole other level.
bakeapples
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The only reason he was claimed was to deal with John Scott. Colton got lucky last time.
Captain Canuck
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Nik Pollock said:
Yes that's Rob Ray and Rick Jeanneret on the clip, can't mistake those voices.
Champ Kind
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ALthough he didn't play much and didn't do anything noteworthy, it seemed to me that Frazer McLaren is a pretty good skater for a big guy. He seemed to get in on the forecheck pretty well and was more mobile, or should I say less lumbering, than I would have initially thought.
He's likely redundant once Brown comes back, with Orr still in the lineup, but I wonder if there might be a little bit more there in terms of potential contributions than just slugging away at an opponent's face.
He's likely redundant once Brown comes back, with Orr still in the lineup, but I wonder if there might be a little bit more there in terms of potential contributions than just slugging away at an opponent's face.
I am not sure if the Leafs can afford the luxury of having so many enforcers taking up valuable roster sports. In times of Gilmour, Andreychuk and Clark, later with Sundin, Mogilny, McCabe and Kaberle there was enough fire power and the Leafs could afford to carry otherwise useless pugilists like Kris King, Wade Belak and others. Not to mention that their main fighter (Domi) was a decent player given his main job was to fight.
These days are somewhat different. The league is changing but most importantly the Leafs line-up has only limited talent and skill available.
I mean having Orr, Brown and now McLaren all on the team is way too much. Beyond beating somebody they are - lets be honest - completely useless. I would rather see Hamilton, Scott or D?Amigo (or try to get Marcel Mueller back) on the fourth line, guys who can be useful in many other ways. If the Marlies in much wilder AHL "survived" with only one enforcer (Fraser) who was also capable to play hockey not just fight, I do not see the reason why the Leafs could not do the same.
McLaren, like Orr, Brown is just taking up a valuable spot. I do not expect anaything from Frazer than few fights. As I have never expected anything else from Brown or Orr. Poor Stackel, to play with these pylons. Guys who play 3 to 4 minutes per game. What a joke.
The Leafs IMHO badly need a little bit more from their 4th line than a fight here and there. Frazer McLaren is not going to provide anything but the fight. The Leafs con not afford that.
These days are somewhat different. The league is changing but most importantly the Leafs line-up has only limited talent and skill available.
I mean having Orr, Brown and now McLaren all on the team is way too much. Beyond beating somebody they are - lets be honest - completely useless. I would rather see Hamilton, Scott or D?Amigo (or try to get Marcel Mueller back) on the fourth line, guys who can be useful in many other ways. If the Marlies in much wilder AHL "survived" with only one enforcer (Fraser) who was also capable to play hockey not just fight, I do not see the reason why the Leafs could not do the same.
McLaren, like Orr, Brown is just taking up a valuable spot. I do not expect anaything from Frazer than few fights. As I have never expected anything else from Brown or Orr. Poor Stackel, to play with these pylons. Guys who play 3 to 4 minutes per game. What a joke.
The Leafs IMHO badly need a little bit more from their 4th line than a fight here and there. Frazer McLaren is not going to provide anything but the fight. The Leafs con not afford that.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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When everyone is healthy, a Brown-McClement-Komarov line could be a real nightmare to play against.
bustaheims
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drummond said:
Can't really say that for sure. D'Amigo hasn't seen a second of NHL ice time, and we really can't say what he can and can't provide. He could turn out to be absolutely worthless at the NHL level.
bustaheims
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Definitely. If the Kadri/Frattin/Komarov combination wasn't working so well, that would definitely be something I'd want the team to try out.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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bustaheims said:
I just see it as a numbers game, with Lupul and Mac in the lineup, one of them will no doubt take Leo's spot on that line as I don't see either of those or JVR seeing the 4th line.
bustaheims
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Fair enough. Unless someone's moved out, that's a likely scenario.