Leafs @ Islanders - Feb. 12th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590

[CarltonTheBear]

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23-28-4, 50 pts | 35-18-1, 71 pts

Projected Lines

Winnik-Kadri-Santorelli JVR-Bozak-Panik Booth-Smith-Kessel Komarov-Holland-Clarkson Gardiner-Franson Rielly-Polak Holzer-Robidas Bernier ​

Lee-Tavares-Bailey Grabovski-Nielsen-Strome Zolnierczyk-Nelson-Kulemin Martin-Cizikas-McDonald Leddy-Boychuk Strait-Hamonic Hickey-Visnovsky Halak​

Scratches

Joffrey Lupul Petter Granberg ​

Calvin de Haan Cal Clutterbuck  Matt Donovan​

Line-up Notes

TOR
?Bernier likely starts for the Leafs
?Lupul missed practice and will likely be out at least a week, so Clarkson will get a chance to get back into the line-up
?Franson also missed practice with a suspected minor hip injury, it seems like he'll play but Granberg was called up just in case

NYI
?Halak will likely start for the Islanders

Injuries

?Cody Franson - Hip - Probable Thursday                   ?Joffrey Lupul - Lower Body - Out Thursday ?Dion Phaneuf - Hand - Injured Reserve​

?Calvin de Haan - Face - Questionable Thursday ?Cal CLutterbuck - Upper Body - Questionable Thursday ?Michael Grabner - Undisclosed - Injured Reserve ?Eric Boulton - Undisclosed - Injured Reserve ?Kyle Okposo - Eye - Injured Reserve ?Matt Carkner - Upper Body - Injured Reserve​

Statistical Leaders

Kessel - 21 JVR - 21 Bozak - 15 Kessel - 26 Franson - 26 JVR - 22 Kessel - 47 JVR - 43 Bozak - 35 Winnik - +13 Phaneuf - 85 Bozak - 51.2%   Phaneuf - 23:05 Bernier - 16 Bernier - 2.76 Bernier - .914​

G A P +/- PIM FO% TOI/G W GAA SA%​

24 - Tavares 16 - Lee 15 - Nelson 30 - Okposo 27 - Tavares 25 - Strome 51 - Tavares 44 - Okposo 34 - Strome +15 - Strome 82 - Martin 52.5% - Tavares 21:53 - Boychuk 29 - Halak 2.40 - Halak .911 - Halak​

Season Overview

23 28 4 (25th)        50 (13th)      2.80 (25th)      3.06 (13th)  19.2% (7th)  83.6% (21st)      29.4 (27th)      32.8 (23rd)  48.1% 7-16-4 1-8-1 Lost 1​

W L OT P G/G GA/G PP% PK% S/G SA/G FO% A | H L10 Streak​

35 18 1 71        (6th) 3.02      (4th) 2.98      (23rd) 19.7%  (9th) 72.5%  (30th) 33.2      (2nd) 27.1      (2nd) 49.1%  (17th) 18-6-0 5-5-0 Won 2​

Stream Options

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http://vaughnlive.tv/leafstreamer
http://ourleafs.blogspot.ca/
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[Kin]

Hey, remember when we all used to laugh at Garth Snow?

They've got that line-up with Reinhart, Dal Colle and Ho-Sang still in their system.

 

[freer]

Hey, remember when we all used to laugh at Garth Snow?

They've got that line-up with Reinhart, Dal Colle and Ho-Sang still in their system.

If we do it properly we will have good players in the next 10 years too!

 

[Boston Leaf]

5-1 for NYI

 

[Kin]

If we do it properly we will have good players in the next 10 years too!

Rather have that than the alternative.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Heck we might even have our own Strome in just a few months!

 

[Stickytape]

Looks like Lupul broke another nail.

At least it'll be fun to watch Grabbo and Kuli light it up.

 

[pmrules]

Hey, remember when we all used to laugh at Garth Snow?

They've got that line-up with Reinhart, Dal Colle and Ho-Sang still in their system.

Tavares fixes a lot of holes quite quickly!

I'd love to trade Kessel to the Isles for some of their youth...don't know which ones in particular...but yeah Strome and Reinhart wouldn't hurt (and then draft the other Strome).

Tavares with Kessel would light it up for the next 7 years (potentially a cup or two) while we get some of the building blocks for our rebuild.

 

[ZBBM]

Hey, remember when we all used to laugh at Garth Snow?

They've got that line-up with Reinhart, Dal Colle and Ho-Sang still in their system.

It hurts to say it, but he's been better than any of our GMs since Quinn, and maybe including him and before.

 

[Kin]

It hurts to say it, but he's been better than any of our GMs since Quinn, and maybe including him and before.

I don't think he's a genius or anything he just had a good plan, a little luck and stuck with it. He hasn't been afraid to do weird things(draft 7 defensemen in a year) or take risks. I mean, people buried him for the Vanek deal but right now not having what looks like it will be a pick in the 20-30 range isn't really the worst thing in the world.

 

[Kin]

Tavares fixes a lot of holes quite quickly!

Tavares is a great player and, no doubt about it, that was good luck on their part.

But it's more than that. If they hadn't won the lottery that year they would have taken Victor Hedman(Or Matt Duchene, if you figure they'd still be looking for a #1C) So they'd still be building around a core of really great young players. There's a franchise center at the top of, oh, half of all drafts? Two-thirds? So it's not exactly like happening on Tavares was random chance. They were a bad team and the way the system is set-up, they reaped the rewards.

I'd love to trade Kessel to the Isles for some of their youth...don't know which ones in particular...but yeah Strome and Reinhart wouldn't hurt (and then draft the other Strome).

Tavares with Kessel would light it up for the next 7 years (potentially a cup or two) while we get some of the building blocks for our rebuild.

There's no chance I would make that trade if I were running the Islanders. They have good young talent who they can control cost-wise for years. They're going to cap themselves out and trade away major pieces of that future for Phil Kessel?

 

[ZBBM]

It hurts to say it, but he's been better than any of our GMs since Quinn, and maybe including him and before.

I don't think he's a genius or anything he just had a good plan, a little luck and stuck with it. He hasn't been afraid to do weird things(draft 7 defensemen in a year) or take risks. I mean, people buried him for the Vanek deal but right now not having what looks like it will be a pick in the 20-30 range isn't really the worst thing in the world.

Exactly.  You don't have to be a genius to run a successful NHL team, just competent.  Too bad MLSE hasn't been able to clear even that middling bar.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think he's a genius or anything he just had a good plan, a little luck and stuck with it. He hasn't been afraid to do weird things(draft 7 defensemen in a year) or take risks. I mean, people buried him for the Vanek deal but right now not having what looks like it will be a pick in the 20-30 range isn't really the worst thing in the world.

It took him a little while to get settled into that plan - his first couple seasons on the job seemed to lack direction - but, yeah, once he got things going in the right direction, he's done a pretty good job of it, for the most part.

 

[Kin]

I don't think he's a genius or anything he just had a good plan, a little luck and stuck with it. He hasn't been afraid to do weird things(draft 7 defensemen in a year) or take risks. I mean, people buried him for the Vanek deal but right now not having what looks like it will be a pick in the 20-30 range isn't really the worst thing in the world.

It took him a little while to get settled into that plan - his first couple seasons on the job seemed to lack direction - but, yeah, once he got things going in the right direction, he's done a pretty good job of it, for the most part.

Looking back on it I think the fact that he got that one healthy season out of Dipietro probably skewed things a little for him as he tried to dig out from the absolute trainwreck that Milbury left and the chaos that was around following the Neil Smith stuff. He did have 13 draft picks in his second draft though.

 

[pmrules]

Tavares fixes a lot of holes quite quickly!

Tavares is a great player and, no doubt about it, that was good luck on their part.

But it's more than that. If they hadn't won the lottery that year they would have taken Victor Hedman(Or Matt Duchene, if you figure they'd still be looking for a #1C) So they'd still be building around a core of really great young players. There's a franchise center at the top of, oh, half of all drafts? Two-thirds? So it's not exactly like happening on Tavares was random chance. They were a bad team and the way the system is set-up, they reaped the rewards.

I'd love to trade Kessel to the Isles for some of their youth...don't know which ones in particular...but yeah Strome and Reinhart wouldn't hurt (and then draft the other Strome).

Tavares with Kessel would light it up for the next 7 years (potentially a cup or two) while we get some of the building blocks for our rebuild.

There's no chance I would make that trade if I were running the Islanders. They have good young talent who they can control cost-wise for years. They're going to cap themselves out and trade away major pieces of that future for Phil Kessel?

Just examples bud.  I don't know anything about these kids other than what position they were drafted in and what position they play.

The principal idea is not foreign.  That being that Tavares gets a bona fide established winger to play with right now, while we get building blocks that are a few years away (whomever they are).  You don't have to agree, but you see the principal of the proposal happen a few times in the past.  I'm just saying...why not the Leafs and the Islanders? 

 

[Kin]

The principal idea is not foreign.  That being that Tavares gets a bona fide established winger to play with right now, while we get building blocks that are a few years away (whomever they are).  You don't have to agree, but you see the principal of the proposal happen a few times in the past.  I'm just saying...why not the Leafs and the Islanders?

I honestly can not think of a trade like that happening during the cap era. If you're the Islanders you could take that 8 million a year and sign the best free agent possible and keep the kids.

And I think that, you know, what we have seen in the past is teams in the Islanders position try to add that sort of complimentary piece by low cost acquisitions or free agent signings. Chicago added Hossa as a UFA, LA added Jeff Carter on the cheap, Pittsburgh went out and signed most of their guys. None of those teams traded away multiple high draft picks.

 

[Crucialness Key]

The principal idea is not foreign.  That being that Tavares gets a bona fide established winger to play with right now, while we get building blocks that are a few years away (whomever they are).  You don't have to agree, but you see the principal of the proposal happen a few times in the past.  I'm just saying...why not the Leafs and the Islanders?

I honestly can not think of a trade like that happening during the cap era. If you're the Islanders you could take that 8 million a year and sign the best free agent possible and keep the kids.

And I think that, you know, what we have seen in the past is teams in the Islanders position try to add that sort of complimentary piece by low cost acquisitions or free agent signings. Chicago added Hossa as a UFA, LA added Jeff Carter on the cheap, Pittsburgh went out and signed most of their guys. None of those teams traded away multiple high draft picks.

On the other hand Jeff Carter got a 1st-round pick and 3rd-overall Jack Johnson from LA; and Pittsburgh traded a 1st-round pick and Klinkhammer for Perron.  So the "building blocks for established player" trade does still happen.

 

[Kin]

On the other hand Jeff Carter got a 1st-round pick and 3rd-overall Jack Johnson from LA; and Pittsburgh traded a 1st-round pick and Klinkhammer for Perron.  So the "building blocks for established player" trade does still happen.

That'd be like referring to Luke Schenn as 5th overall Luke Schenn. Johnson was 25 when he was dealt and the 1st rounder was a year removed and ended up being the #27 pick.

 

[Crucialness Key]

On the other hand Jeff Carter got a 1st-round pick and 3rd-overall Jack Johnson from LA; and Pittsburgh traded a 1st-round pick and Klinkhammer for Perron.  So the "building blocks for established player" trade does still happen.

That'd be like referring to Luke Schenn as 5th overall Luke Schenn. Johnson was 25 when he was dealt and the 1st rounder was a year removed and ended up being the #27 pick.

But at the time wasn't Jack Johnson still considered to be a guy who might still step up and be All That?  Perhaps I'm remembering it poorly.

 

[Kin]

But at the time wasn't Jack Johnson still considered to be a guy who might still step up and be All That?  Perhaps I'm remembering it poorly.

Nah, they already had Doughty and Johnson, and admittedly this carries less weight these days, was racking up some impressively terrible +/- numbers. 25 is a little late to be considered much of a prospect regardless.

Anyways, I'm not saying that a team won't trade youth or young assets for immediate help but that they're not going to trade multiple big pieces to do it. I mean, look at your Pittsburgh trade. That's a late first. That's the sort of thing a team will trade in those situations(for example, what the Islanders did for Vanek). Not multiple top 5 picks.