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[ZBBM]

I think Bozak is on balance a slightly better player than Kadri. I doubt if Kadri has anything more than we've seen, offensively.

Frankly, I would put Kadri down as a mild disappointment, overall.

Well Kadri outperforms Bozak by basically every offensive measure beyond the base G, A, Pts, PPG (there are fairly obvious reasons why just looking at those in comparing these two may be problematic) - higher P60, higher 5v5 P60, generates more scoring chances/60, more high danger chances/60, draws more penalties.  I won't go into all of them, but if we're talking strictly offensive ability/generating offense I don't think Bozak is slightly better at all, but worse overall offensively than Kadri.  Then throw in that Kadri is 4 years younger.

Also - by what measure is Kadri a mild disappointment?

Well, I put greater store in the base stats than you, especially points, which is the only thing that ultimately counts.  But let's not turn this into a debate over so-called advanced stats.

I'm disappointed in him offensively.  He's got a limited repertoire of moves and it shows in his points totals.  I expect a lot from top 10 picks (and incidentally with respect to other posts, comparing him to his draft class is irrelevant to that expectation).  He's a good player.  I wanted really good, and that means a better scorer in my book.

The comment about the base totals was simply that Bozak has spent much more time playing with better offensive players than Kadri has.  You would expect that to be reflected in their overall totals, just like you wouldn't expect Brad Boyes to have high base counts if he spends most of the games on the 4th line.

I would argue that his totals are really only reflective of not playing top line minutes with the best offensive players since coming into the league, so less  even strength and PP time should mean less point totals.  I'm not saying it's some huge landslide ahead of Bozak, but all things being equal I think he's shown to be the better offensive player.

Sure, that's a reasonable stance to take, but as I said I give Bozak the nod.

 

[herman]

Even by the box stats, Kadri has better production than Bozak per 60 minutes.

 

[ZBBM]

So then to answer the question, the measurement by which Kadri is a disappointment is the measurement of unrealistic expectation.

That's basically how I see it, too. He's a disappointment to those who had expectations of him that exceeded what should be expected based on his actual abilities/projections at the draft. He was really only expected to be a 50-60 point guy, and, well, he's not far off that right now.

Exactly.  At 41 points he rates as a mild disappointment, just as I said.  He's only reached 50 once, and IMO he'll not likely ever get to 60.

 

[ZBBM]

Even by the box stats, Kadri has better production than Bozak per 60 minutes.

See above.

 

[herman]

So then to answer the question, the measurement by which Kadri is a disappointment is the measurement of unrealistic expectation.

That's basically how I see it, too. He's a disappointment to those who had expectations of him that exceeded what should be expected based on his actual abilities/projections at the draft. He was really only expected to be a 50-60 point guy, and, well, he's not far off that right now.

Exactly.  At 41 points he rates as a mild disappointment, just as I said.  He's only reached 50 once, and IMO he'll not likely ever get to 60.

Bozak reached 49 twice while playing with Kessel and van Riemsdyk. Now he is 30 years old.

Edit: not quite sure why you just said "Exactly" to agree with two people who are disagreeing with you.

Also: Kadri has already exceeded last year's raw production while playing much harder minutes with arguably lesser linemates.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm really curious to see who Lou & company decide to keep of the two, if either.

 

[Redleaf]

So then to answer the question, the measurement by which Kadri is a disappointment is the measurement of unrealistic expectation.

That's basically how I see it, too. He's a disappointment to those who had expectations of him that exceeded what should be expected based on his actual abilities/projections at the draft. He was really only expected to be a 50-60 point guy, and, well, he's not far off that right now.

Exactly.  At 41 points he rates as a mild disappointment, just as I said.  He's only reached 50 once, and IMO he'll not likely ever get to 60.

Edit: not quite sure why you just said "Exactly" to agree with two people who are disagreeing with you.

Probably because he doesn't want to get sucked into some long drawn-out useless debate about which player he likes better. Someone always chimes in about 'proving' why they like player a over player b, or some such nonsense.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Someone always chimes in about 'proving' why they like player a over player b, or some such nonsense.

Are we debating which player is more likable or which is better?

 

[Redleaf]

Someone always chimes in about 'proving' why they like player a over player b, or some such nonsense.

Are we debating which player is more likable or which is better?

To some fans they arent mutually exclusive.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

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[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Bueller...

 

[CarltonTheBear]

*deletes Grabner joke about him missing on that breakaway*

 

[ZBBM]

2x the charm

 

[L K]

*deletes Grabner joke about him missing on that breakaway*

Grabner wasn't really on a breakaway though.  If he was he would have missed.

 

[ZBBM]

*deletes Grabner joke about him missing on that breakaway*

You must be among the world's top 0.00000000005% typists.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

*deletes Grabner joke about him missing on that breakaway*

You must be among the world's top 0.00000000005% typists.

I have a keyboard shortcut set up for it since it happens so often.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That was a ridiculous pass by Brown, didn't realize how precise it had to be at first watch.

 

[herman]

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So many good things happen for Grabner when he doesn't straight line it into the goalie.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

McKenzie throwing down.

 

[herman]

McKenzie throwing down.

I love angry Bob.