Leafs Playoffs - Casual Fan Edition

[OldTimeHockey]

What I find remarkable on this board is the relative absence of trolling/bullying, so some of the posts in this thread are surprising to me. Compared to Reddit this place is incredibly civilized. It's important not to lose sight of the fact that disagreeing (or even strongly disagreeing) isn't bullying, it's debate.

I also don't find this place to be especially analytics-heavy. I think the main reason readership/comments are disappearing is because message boards themselves are archaic, not because of the types of discussions happening on this board. I'm glad that some people have stuck around, but not surprised that many haven't.

I agree with all of this.

Like I said earlier, I'm not opposed to the analytics. Sometimes I just want to talk hockey but I do value what analytics can offer. I mean, numbers generally don't lie. My eyes often do. I realize that the numbers side of it today is "talking hockey" and it's just my stubborn way of looking at things that gets in the way. That and I really need to sit down and look at the analytic side of things to understand it, then I'll surely be all in.

Anyways, trade Gardiner(not for a bag of pucks) and I'll be okay with everything in the world.

 

[princedpw]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

 

[Kin]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

It depends on the series. Last year vs. Washington was no biggie and the collapse vs. Boston was, well, not as good.

 

[louisstamos]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

A little beyond too much Ice Cream.  I would characterize it as a gut punch.  Like when it lands on 00 in roulette...

 

[princedpw]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

It depends on the series. Last year vs. Washington was no biggie and the collapse vs. Boston was, well, not as good.

I was in a hotel lobby somewhere watching the Boston game. I was yelling at the screen. Some of the other hotel patrons were considering an intervention, I believe.

 

[princedpw]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

A little beyond too much Ice Cream.  I would characterize it as a gut punch.  Like when it lands on 00 in roulette...

Im glad it is more than ice cream. we need to know you care.

 

[Frank E]

I yell at the tv screen on a good game...like spit coming out of my mouth kind of yelling...lately often at Nylander.  I don't think he hears me though.

On bad games, I'm silent.

 

[Bender]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

A little beyond too much Ice Cream.  I would characterize it as a gut punch.  Like when it lands on 00 in roulette...

I felt nauseas after the first two games. Ugh.

 

[sickbeast]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

A little beyond too much Ice Cream.  I would characterize it as a gut punch.  Like when it lands on 00 in roulette...

I felt nauseas after the first two games. Ugh.

Were you on a bender?

 

[Bender]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

A little beyond too much Ice Cream.  I would characterize it as a gut punch.  Like when it lands on 00 in roulette...

I felt nauseas after the first two games. Ugh.

Were you on a bender?

I predict I will be after tonight!

 

[sickbeast]

I?m going very subtly change the topic of conversation.

So, how physically ill do people feel when the leafs lose a playoff series?  Nausea anyone?  Actual vomit?  Coma?  Or just too much ice cream??

A little beyond too much Ice Cream.  I would characterize it as a gut punch.  Like when it lands on 00 in roulette...

I felt nauseas after the first two games. Ugh.

Were you on a bender?

I predict I will be after tonight!

How ironic.

 

[Bonsixx]

Scorching hot take: Andersen needed to steal Game 5, now Matthews/Nylander have to steal Game 6.

Actually, we might still need Andersen to stand on his head anyway.

 

[herman]

I have absolutely no issue with the analytics or the wealth of data that some of you guys have a lot of knowledge about.  In fact I welcome that.  Herman in particular is knowledgeable to the point that he could easily start working for Sportsnet tomorrow and he would fit right in.  He's generally cool to chat with on here also.  I do find some of his comments here to be troubling, however.

To be honest, and I'm sorry but I can't think of any other way to say this, Nik the Trik is the problem on here and Carlton the Bear is enabling him.  What I find with Nik is that he is extremely condescending and he does not even consider what other people say.  And if you read his responses in this thread, he doesn't even care.  Not only that but I don't even find him very knowledgeable and quite often he is flat out wrong.  This becomes even more frustrating when he doesn't own up to his own mistakes and argues to the bitter end.

TL;DR, I don't have an issue with the "advanced" discussion on here.  What I have issue with is the level of rudeness and abrasiveness paired with the unwillingness of people to listen to others or even consider other points of view.  It's not what's being said that's the problem, it's the way people are going about it.

One thought I did have was to create a "casual" discussion sub-forum where some of us could interact without the condescending BS.

I don't like advocating for people to be banned or for moderation to be changed, however this thread did bring up a legitimate problem and those are the most direct solutions I can think of.

I?ll ask one more time that you please look in the mirror. You?re not the victim here.

 

[sickbeast]

I have absolutely no issue with the analytics or the wealth of data that some of you guys have a lot of knowledge about.  In fact I welcome that.  Herman in particular is knowledgeable to the point that he could easily start working for Sportsnet tomorrow and he would fit right in.  He's generally cool to chat with on here also.  I do find some of his comments here to be troubling, however.

To be honest, and I'm sorry but I can't think of any other way to say this, Nik the Trik is the problem on here and Carlton the Bear is enabling him.  What I find with Nik is that he is extremely condescending and he does not even consider what other people say.  And if you read his responses in this thread, he doesn't even care.  Not only that but I don't even find him very knowledgeable and quite often he is flat out wrong.  This becomes even more frustrating when he doesn't own up to his own mistakes and argues to the bitter end.

TL;DR, I don't have an issue with the "advanced" discussion on here.  What I have issue with is the level of rudeness and abrasiveness paired with the unwillingness of people to listen to others or even consider other points of view.  It's not what's being said that's the problem, it's the way people are going about it.

One thought I did have was to create a "casual" discussion sub-forum where some of us could interact without the condescending BS.

I don't like advocating for people to be banned or for moderation to be changed, however this thread did bring up a legitimate problem and those are the most direct solutions I can think of.

I?ll ask one more time that you please look in the mirror. You?re not the victim here.

Why because I finally snapped after years and years of putting up with Nik the Trik's bull#$#%? Whatever. I probably said what everyone else wanted to but was too afraid to come out and say it. I will not be intimidated or bullied by you guys.

By the way you are bringing up stuff from close to a year ago. Just look at Nik the Trik's posts in this thread and it will tell you all you need to know.

You have stooped to a new low, Herman.

 

[Bill_Berg]

No need to talk down to people, and if someone does, consider their opinion invalidated.

I don't necessarily disagree but I don't think that's any sort of standard you can have for a relatively open message board. All of the mods/staff here are doing this on a volunteer basis and they're doing their best to uphold what are pretty clear cut rules. I don't think it would be fair to ask them to ensure every post is sufficiently respectful or tonally friendly or whatever. Not only because that's a subjective concept but also because my bet is everyone would have a floating standard based on whether or not they agreed with a post.

If you think a poster is too dismissive or rude or whatever, there is an ignore function. I really don't see how people making liberal use of that wouldn't entirely solve the issue here. If someone doesn't like how I, or anyone else, posts...put me or whoever on ignore.

I didn't mean the mods should do it. I meant if someone is biligerent to a poster, that poster could just ignore the jerky part or the entire post of the othe

"Why didn't you counter my argument?"

"Cause you were a dick about it."

And my seven year old is yelling at me for yelling at the tv. Bedtime for one of us!

 

[sickbeast]

No need to talk down to people, and if someone does, consider their opinion invalidated.

I don't necessarily disagree but I don't think that's any sort of standard you can have for a relatively open message board. All of the mods/staff here are doing this on a volunteer basis and they're doing their best to uphold what are pretty clear cut rules. I don't think it would be fair to ask them to ensure every post is sufficiently respectful or tonally friendly or whatever. Not only because that's a subjective concept but also because my bet is everyone would have a floating standard based on whether or not they agreed with a post.

If you think a poster is too dismissive or rude or whatever, there is an ignore function. I really don't see how people making liberal use of that wouldn't entirely solve the issue here. If someone doesn't like how I, or anyone else, posts...put me or whoever on ignore.

I didn't mean the mods should do it. I meant if someone is biligerent to a poster, that poster could just ignore the jerky part or the entire post of the othe

"Why didn't you counter my argument?"

"Cause you were a dick about it."

And my seven year old is yelling at me for yelling at the tv. Bedtime for one of us!

It's better to treat the problem at the source. And if the source can't refrain from being a dick, then the mods should silence them. IMO.

 

[rdowdall]

No need to talk down to people, and if someone does, consider their opinion invalidated.

I don't necessarily disagree but I don't think that's any sort of standard you can have for a relatively open message board. All of the mods/staff here are doing this on a volunteer basis and they're doing their best to uphold what are pretty clear cut rules. I don't think it would be fair to ask them to ensure every post is sufficiently respectful or tonally friendly or whatever. Not only because that's a subjective concept but also because my bet is everyone would have a floating standard based on whether or not they agreed with a post.

If you think a poster is too dismissive or rude or whatever, there is an ignore function. I really don't see how people making liberal use of that wouldn't entirely solve the issue here. If someone doesn't like how I, or anyone else, posts...put me or whoever on ignore.

I didn't mean the mods should do it. I meant if someone is biligerent to a poster, that poster could just ignore the jerky part or the entire post of the othe

"Why didn't you counter my argument?"

"Cause you were a dick about it."

And my seven year old is yelling at me for yelling at the tv. Bedtime for one of us!

I'm sure she'll tell you the score in the morning.

 

[princedpw]

I liked the idea of having a low key, fan boy, all positive thread.

It would be great if this was that thread.

 

[princedpw]

Go leafs go.

 

[Bill_Berg]

No need to talk down to people, and if someone does, consider their opinion invalidated.

I don't necessarily disagree but I don't think that's any sort of standard you can have for a relatively open message board. All of the mods/staff here are doing this on a volunteer basis and they're doing their best to uphold what are pretty clear cut rules. I don't think it would be fair to ask them to ensure every post is sufficiently respectful or tonally friendly or whatever. Not only because that's a subjective concept but also because my bet is everyone would have a floating standard based on whether or not they agreed with a post.

If you think a poster is too dismissive or rude or whatever, there is an ignore function. I really don't see how people making liberal use of that wouldn't entirely solve the issue here. If someone doesn't like how I, or anyone else, posts...put me or whoever on ignore.

I didn't mean the mods should do it. I meant if someone is biligerent to a poster, that poster could just ignore the jerky part or the entire post of the othe

"Why didn't you counter my argument?"

"Cause you were a dick about it."

And my seven year old is yelling at me for yelling at the tv. Bedtime for one of us!

I'm sure she'll tell you the score in the morning.

Bill has left the building! For bed.