Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson

[herman]

So if eliminating Sparks small salary and being able to add Clarkson to LTIR means the Leafs have about $10-$10.5 million in cap space, essentially? Does that inch them a bit closer to getting Marner under contract? Are we talking one more minor tinkering move to get this done? Please...

If anything, it?s the opposite. They are hedging for the possibility that Marner is not signed prior to the beginning of the season. If he was signed prior to the beginning of the season, this move wouldn?t be necessary.

Yup

https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1153799226175848454
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Clarkson?s cap hit puts us closer to the cap limit so the LTIR can have full effect, with or without Marner?s signing.

 

[herman]

Has a player ever been on the same roster as the player he was traded for earlier?

Clark played with Sundin.

Ah yes, thanks!

 

[bustaheims]

Has a player ever been on the same roster as the player he was traded for earlier?

It?s not a super uncommon occurrence. Though, this might be the first time two players traded for each other spend the season on the same roster while both LTIR.

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/07/24/toronto-maple-leafs-trade-garret-sparks-to-vegas-for-david-clarkson-and-a-2020-fourth-round-pick/
Explained in article form.

Ignore everyone talking about the implications of an inflated first year AAV for Marner signing in season because they are wrong.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Clarkson has better hands than Gary Roberts by a wide margin.

 

[Zee]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/07/24/toronto-maple-leafs-trade-garret-sparks-to-vegas-for-david-clarkson-and-a-2020-fourth-round-pick/
Explained in article form.

Ignore everyone talking about the implications of an inflated first year AAV for Marner signing in season because they are wrong.

Explain. If Marner signs late into October/November the pro rated hit on the cap is higher in year 1 no? Nylander's number was over 10M last year but only 6.9 now. Isn't Mitch the same situation if he signs late?

 

[herman]

Deebo explains this better.

The inflated AAV is for the whole year; cap is calculated daily. Signing mid season means that number is prorated and so the daily cap hit totals at the end of year to exactly the same as the subsequent years? hits.

E.g. Nylander?s actual cap hit in the first year totaled to 6.9M.

 

[Redleaf]

Lets hope Dubas learned a valuable lesson with Nylander and Mitch doesn't miss a chunk of the upcoming season. Its looking like it may be in the cards right now though , doesn't it?

I wonder if they can the circumvent the rules by waiting to sign Marner until after game 1, but still have him at camp on a PTO?

 

[Bender]

Lets hope Dubas learned a valuable lesson with Nylander and Mitch doesn't miss a chunk of the upcoming season. Its looking like it may be in the cards right now though , doesn't it?

I wonder if they can the circumvent the rules by waiting to sign Marner until after game 1, but still have him at camp as a PTO?

Dubas needs to learn the lesson? Really?

 

[Redleaf]

Lets hope Dubas learned a valuable lesson with Nylander and Mitch doesn't miss a chunk of the upcoming season. Its looking like it may be in the cards right now though , doesn't it?

I wonder if they can the circumvent the rules by waiting to sign Marner until after game 1, but still have him at camp as a PTO?

Dubas needs to learn the lesson? Really?

Say what?

 

[Zee]

Deebo explains this better.

The inflated AAV is for the whole year; cap is calculated daily. Signing mid season means that number is prorated and so the daily cap hit totals at the end of year to exactly the same as the subsequent years? hits.

E.g. Nylander?s actual cap hit in the first year totaled to 6.9M.

That's not what the cap hit showed on capfriendly. He was at 10.2M or something

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/william-nylander

 

[herman]

Deebo explains this better.

The inflated AAV is for the whole year; cap is calculated daily. Signing mid season means that number is prorated and so the daily cap hit totals at the end of year to exactly the same as the subsequent years? hits.

E.g. Nylander?s actual cap hit in the first year totaled to 6.9M.

That's not what the cap hit showed on capfriendly. He was at 10.2M or something

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/william-nylander

Yeah that?s the full year cap hit. Pro-rate that by the NHL days he was actuall6 on the roster and it amounts to 6.9M.

 

[Guilt Trip]

So if eliminating Sparks small salary and being able to add Clarkson to LTIR means the Leafs have about $10-$10.5 million in cap space, essentially? Does that inch them a bit closer to getting Marner under contract? Are we talking one more minor tinkering move to get this done? Please...

If anything, it?s the opposite. They are hedging for the possibility that Marner is not signed prior to the beginning of the season. If he was signed prior to the beginning of the season, this move wouldn?t be necessary.

Yup

https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1153799226175848454
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Clarkson?s cap hit puts us closer to the cap limit so the LTIR can have full effect, with or without Marner?s signing.

Bingo...In order for the Leafs to take full advantage of the LTIR value they must be as close to the cap as possible on opening/compliance day. Whatever that number is will be their cap hit for the year. So if it's 81,400,000 that day, that's it for the year. Send Moore down at the beginning of the year and their cap hit it will be 81,459,699, which is pretty close to perfection. Of course if Marner signs before the start of the year, DC and NH go on LTIR opening day.

 

[ZBBM]

Beyond all the cap palaver is the puzzling fact that Dubas saw fit to sign Sparks to extension about 2 weeks before his NHL career got flushed.  Sure, it was a minimal contract and now it's gone.  But still, why?

 

[princedpw]

I do think we have to admit that something is kinda busted about the league cap system if acquiring a contract gives the leafs more space. That?s not how it?s supposed to work.

 

[Bullfrog]

Deebo explains this better.

The inflated AAV is for the whole year; cap is calculated daily. Signing mid season means that number is prorated and so the daily cap hit totals at the end of year to exactly the same as the subsequent years? hits.

E.g. Nylander?s actual cap hit in the first year totaled to 6.9M.

That's not what the cap hit showed on capfriendly. He was at 10.2M or something

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/william-nylander

You're confusing some terminology. Average annual value (AAV) is the same as "cap number". This is the annual value of the contract. "Cap hit" is the actual value applied to the cap based on number of days on the roster x the daily amount (which is just the AAV divided by the number of days in a season; 186 I believe).

Nylander's 1st year cap number was higher so that the daily rate is higher. Multiply that by the number of days he spent on the roster and it equals the full AAV of subsequent years. Assuming he is never on LTIR, his cap hit (not cap number) is now the same in every year of the contract, including the 1st.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Beyond all the cap palaver is the puzzling fact that Dubas saw fit to sign Sparks to extension about 2 weeks before his NHL career got flushed.  Sure, it was a minimal contract and now it's gone.  But still, why?

Maybe they thought there was hope? Give him some confidence at literally no cost? I don't know if he opened his yapper before or after signing.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I do think we have to admit that something is kinda busted about the league cap system if acquiring a contract gives the leafs more space. That?s not how it?s supposed to work.

It doesn't give the Leafs anymore space. It gets them closer to the cap before the season starts which is very important when it comes to using LTIR relief.

 

[ZBBM]

Beyond all the cap palaver is the puzzling fact that Dubas saw fit to sign Sparks to extension about 2 weeks before his NHL career got flushed.  Sure, it was a minimal contract and now it's gone.  But still, why?

Maybe they thought there was hope? Give him some confidence at literally no cost? I don't know if he opened his yapper before or after signing.

Yeah, I don't know.  Seems weird to hand out a contract and then the guy implodes right after.

 

[Kin]

I do think we have to admit that something is kinda busted about the league cap system if acquiring a contract gives the leafs more space. That?s not how it?s supposed to work.

It doesn't give the Leafs anymore space. It gets them closer to the cap before the season starts which is very important when it comes to using LTIR relief.

Either way, I don't think anyone is labouring under the impression that the NHL's cap system isn't stupid.