Leafs recall Josh Leivo; JVR out 6-8 weeks with fracture in left foot

[Kin]

I'm actually surprised it wasn't the second paragraph that was highlighted for its nonsense. The Matthias experiment didn't fail, as it consisted entirely of "can he fill an NHL roster on a bad team so that a Marlie doesn't have to fill the role?"

Well, it was all nonsense but I gave up after the first paragraph.

You're right about Matthias although I would point out that in the whole "sign a guy to a one year deal and trade him at the deadline" thing there's a much narrower gap between success and failure than we might think.

Winnik yielded a good result(although the fact that the 2nd he was traded for was a year out is overlooked I think) but think about Santorelli. Santorelli played well for the Leafs and put up good numbers and then got dealt, if the reported breakdown of that deal is true, for Leipsic. A good but not great prospect.

So if those are the highlights of the strategy than getting a 4th or something for Matthias isn't exactly some sort of crushing failure either.

 

[hobarth]

I'm hoping Leivo will be an effective member of the Leafs going forward, the sooner he is introduced and actually playing the closer the Leafs will be to becoming a better more competitive team.

That's just complete and total nonsense. The Leafs are going to go from terrible to competitive on the strength of major pieces being put into the lineup, not whether or not Josh Leivo is on the third line.

You're a piece of work aren't you?

I agree with Nik 100% here. Leivo doesn't get them closer to being a competitive team. They are competitive; they're just not good. Leivo doesn't change that significantly.

I'm actually surprised it wasn't the second paragraph that was highlighted for its nonsense. The Matthias experiment didn't fail, as it consisted entirely of "can he fill an NHL roster on a bad team so that a Marlie doesn't have to fill the role?"

So, success?

So you also believe TO doesn't need to start introducing youth into the lineup, ever, like the prick. You also think that Matthias was only signed to shield that same youth from playing with the Leafs, you don't also think that he was signed as a possible trade chip?

At 5 goals and 11 assists he's not a failure in every way, he hasn't provided acceptable NHL performance in any way as a players, his stats are in line with Boyes who gets 750 thou a year, he's overpaid and underproduced which to me is a failure.

He actually may be untradable because of the level of his failure and the size of his contract.

Now Nonis might trade for him or the Nonis inclined but intelligent GM's won't go near him because he's awful. 

 

[herman]

I believe Matthias, Parenteau, Boyes, Winnik, and Hunwick were signed to short term deals to fill roster spots until the team as a whole was ready to compete and take advantage of the raft of good young talent maturing in the pipeline. Trading them at the deadline is a nice bonus. We are not ready to push the youth up yet.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I'm hoping Leivo will be an effective member of the Leafs going forward, the sooner he is introduced and actually playing the closer the Leafs will be to becoming a better more competitive team.

That's just complete and total nonsense. The Leafs are going to go from terrible to competitive on the strength of major pieces being put into the lineup, not whether or not Josh Leivo is on the third line.

You're a piece of work aren't you?

I agree with Nik 100% here. Leivo doesn't get them closer to being a competitive team. They are competitive; they're just not good. Leivo doesn't change that significantly.

I'm actually surprised it wasn't the second paragraph that was highlighted for its nonsense. The Matthias experiment didn't fail, as it consisted entirely of "can he fill an NHL roster on a bad team so that a Marlie doesn't have to fill the role?"

So, success?

So you also believe TO doesn't need to start introducing youth into the lineup, ever, like the prick. You also think that Matthias was only signed to shield that same youth from playing with the Leafs, you don't also think that he was signed as a possible trade chip?

At 5 goals and 11 assists he's not a failure in every way, he hasn't provided acceptable NHL performance in any way as a players, his stats are in line with Boyes who gets 750 thou a year, he's overpaid and underproduced which to me is a failure.

He actually may be untradable because of the level of his failure and the size of his contract.

Now Nonis might trade for him or the Nonis inclined but intelligent GM's won't go near him because he's awful.

Matthias is on an expiring contract that will have about $600K left on it at the deadline.

 

[herman]

Matthias is on an expiring contract that will have about $600K left on it at the deadline.

A team with aspirations of going deep into the playoffs might want to pick up a few such players to bolster their roster for the paltry cost of a mid-round draft pick.

 

[bustaheims]

A team with aspirations of going deep into the playoffs might want to pick up a few such players to bolster their roster for the paltry cost of a mid-round draft pick.

And someone like Matthias is very capable of filling a 3rd/4th line checking role effectively, while having some ability to chip in offensively (though, he hasn't for the Leafs).

 

[Kin]

Matthias is on an expiring contract that will have about $600K left on it at the deadline.

A team with aspirations of going deep into the playoffs might want to pick up a few such players to bolster their roster for the paltry cost of a mid-round draft pick.

And for all the talk about how someone like Matthias hasn't produced offensively, every team in the league has players who don't produce offensively. Washington has Brooks Laich who's got 7 points in 50 games. Chicago has Ryan Garbutt and Andrew Desjardins who have a combined 13 points in 94 games. Florida has Derek Mackenzie and Quinton Howden and on and on.

By comparison, scoring 16 points in a third/fourth line role isn't all that terrible.

 

[bustaheims]

And for all the talk about how someone like Matthias hasn't produced offensively, every team in the league has players who don't produce offensively. Washington has Brooks Laich who's got 7 points in 50 games. Chicago has Ryan Garbutt and Andrew Desjardins who have a combined 13 points in 94 games. Florida has Derek Mackenzie and Quinton Howden and on and on.

By comparison, scoring 16 points in a third/fourth line role isn't all that terrible.

Not only that, GMs aren't only looking at this season's production when they're considering a player's value. They're considering the other aspects of their game, and how they'd performed in previous seasons and/or previous playoffs. These guys are known quantities at this point.

 

[Bullfrog]

I agree with Nik 100% here. Leivo doesn't get them closer to being a competitive team. They are competitive; they're just not good. Leivo doesn't change that significantly.

I'm actually surprised it wasn't the second paragraph that was highlighted for its nonsense. The Matthias experiment didn't fail, as it consisted entirely of "can he fill an NHL roster on a bad team so that a Marlie doesn't have to fill the role?"

So, success?

So you also believe TO doesn't need to start introducing youth into the lineup, ever, like the prick. You also think that Matthias was only signed to shield that same youth from playing with the Leafs, you don't also think that he was signed as a possible trade chip?

At 5 goals and 11 assists he's not a failure in every way, he hasn't provided acceptable NHL performance in any way as a players, his stats are in line with Boyes who gets 750 thou a year, he's overpaid and underproduced which to me is a failure.

He actually may be untradable because of the level of his failure and the size of his contract.

Now Nonis might trade for him or the Nonis inclined but intelligent GM's won't go near him because he's awful.

Well, no I can't agree with never bringing up youth into the lineup because I don't see where Nik has stated that. And no, I don't agree that he was only brought in to shield the youth; every depth player brought in on a one year contract is possible trade bait, that's clear to see for anyone.

We're not talking about a David Clarkson level failure here. Will he get traded? I'm not sure. Maybe yes, maybe no; it was never a guaranteed thing.

 

[Highlander]

Doesnt really matter, if the fill ins get traded (would be nice), or are simply dropped to make way for a young un. What does matter is we have protected players in the minors for the first time in team history and many of them will be ready for the jump next year. Supplemented by a few key older guys, like Komarov, Reimer, Kadri (hardly old), perhaps Bozak and Captain P (unless he is traded).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

JVR is likely out for rest of the season.

http://twitter.com/RealKyper/status/702926783704899584

http://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/702929316598976520

 

[Kin]

You have to wonder how strategic a decision that is.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The Jets just announced that Little is done for the year (and Ladd is obviously being traded). Habs announced recently that Gilbert and Petry were both done for the year. Leafs had to keep up somehow.

 

[L K]

This is actually completely normal.  In most cases of foot fracture the usual time course is several months to regain full function of the foot.  The Leafs are doing the right thing here and there are absolutely no ulterior motives.

Sincerely,
Lou....I mean LK

 

[bustaheims]

Traded at the draft it is!

 

[Kin]

Traded at the draft it is!

Being as I always thought that would be the time to trade him holding him out makes sense regardless of his health. Yeah, it would look good if he came back and lit things up but how likely is that given the state of the team(and what the state will be post deadline)? You'd be far more likely to see him not at 100% and struggle and be a less attractive proposition.

It just makes sense to sit him at this point.

 

[ZBBM]

This is actually completely normal.  In most cases of foot fracture the usual time course is several months to regain full function of the foot.  The Leafs are doing the right thing here and there are absolutely no ulterior motives.

Sincerely,
Lou....I mean LK

Talk Doctor to me, baby.

 

[herman]

It's for the greater good.

 

[Highlander]

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[jdh1]

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