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Leafs search for a new coach/GM

Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, same guy.
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Then I think you read one of his tweets about Hitchcock wrong. After he posted that the Blues were out on Babcock he wrote "Armstrong and Hitchcock are meeting right now. Nothing should be assumed but I would think that points to them working things out."
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, same guy.
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Then I think you read one of his tweets about Hitchcock wrong. After he posted that the Blues were out on Babcock he wrote "Armstrong and Hitchcock are meeting right now. Nothing should be assumed but I would think that points to them working things out."
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Right on. I see what you're saying. I don't entirely agree but your point is clearer.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, same guy.
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Then I think you read one of his tweets about Hitchcock wrong. After he posted that the Blues were out on Babcock he wrote "Armstrong and Hitchcock are meeting right now. Nothing should be assumed but I would think that points to them working things out."
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To add:

http://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/601084525364543488
 
To answer a question from another thread...

sickbeast said:
What about Yzerman from Tampa Bay?  Is he available?  What about Boston's GM?  Didn't he get fired recently?  He fleeced both Burke and Ferguson.
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Yzerman? Absolutely not. What possible reason would he have for abandoning the tremendous job that he's done in Tampa Bay? As for Boston's GM, yeah he was hired in Edmonton over a month ago.
 
sickbeast said:
I resent my "GM" thread being locked and I hereby boycott this thread.
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Ohhhh...no...don't....come back...

Anyways. I mean, it seems likely that some of the best regarded candidates out there like Brisebois or Futa would see the Leafs GM job as a sideways move. Unless they're really hung up on titles/pay it's hard to imagine it'll have much more authority than a AGM elsewhere. I really wouldn't be surprised to see Hunter get the title at some point in the summer.
 
Shanahan: oversight
Dubas: Marlies GM, analytics
Hunter: scouting, player development
Pridham: capologist
GM: negotiation, professional scouting, administration, public face of management
Babcock: head coach

I see the GM role as essentially the tasks of most GMs, just without final say on vision casting. Basically and AGM with the GM title and salary. All that's required is someone who is a good steward of the vision. Every member of the team sounds like they have a say, and Shanahan simply shepherds the process.
 
herman said:
Shanahan: oversight
Dubas: Marlies GM, analytics
Hunter: scouting, player development
Pridham: capologist
GM: negotiation, professional scouting, administration, public face of management
Babcock: head coach

I see the GM role as essentially the tasks of most GMs, just without final say on vision casting. Basically and AGM with the GM title and salary. All that's required is someone who is a good steward of the vision. Every member of the team sounds like they have a say, and Shanahan simply shepherds the process.
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I don't know if this is what you would say falls under the category of "vision casting" or not but I do think there is going to be a slightly bigger gap between the Leafs GM(If they hire one, Shanahan wouldn't even say for sure at the Babcock press conference) and your typical GM. I don't think the Leafs GM, for instance, will get to decide who to trade or what free agents to go after. If the team is looking to trade a player and gets multiple offers, I don't think they'll decide on which one to accept.

And resultingly, if that ultimate decision making power rests with Shanahan, then any attempts to make the GM the "public face" of management will probably backfire. Toronto media and fans aren't dumb. They, and we, will know if we're talking to the guy in charge or not. If he doesn't make the decision on trading Kessel for instance, but he's in front of the media explaining why they traded Kessel, nobody will be particularly happy.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I don't know if this is what you would say falls under the category of "vision casting" or not but I do think there is going to be a slightly bigger gap between the Leafs GM(If they hire one, Shanahan wouldn't even say for sure at the Babcock press conference) and your typical GM. I don't think the Leafs GM, for instance, will get to decide who to trade or what free agents to go after. If the team is looking to trade a player and gets multiple offers, I don't think they'll decide on which one to accept.

And resultingly, if that ultimate decision making power rests with Shanahan, then any attempts to make the GM the "public face" of management will probably backfire. Toronto media and fans aren't dumb. They, and we, will know if we're talking to the guy in charge or not. If he doesn't make the decision on trading Kessel for instance, but he's in front of the media explaining why they traded Kessel, nobody will be particularly happy.
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That's the sense I'm getting as well, and I imagine it thusly: Babcock/Dubas and the analytics team will say, hey we could use this type of player to fulfill the tactics/style Babcock wants to instill. Then Hunter would direct the development team to see which assets are on track to become those players. The GM, armed with pro scouting knowledge and data about existing teams/UFAs/RFAs would identify the shortlist of potential NHL/prospect candidates to pursue and assign valuations. The management team hashes it out over their regular meetings, and when a window of opportunity opens up (draft day, trade deadline, dregs of free agency), the GM kicks into gear and talks happen in earnest. Pridham makes sure everything fits in the cap comfortably and we're on our way.

I can also see a teamplayer GM with so much aplomb that Shanahan is more than happy to cede most decisions to and they act more like a board/brain trust of advisors (is there a Babcock of GMs?). Otherwise, the GM role is just a contributor and executor of Shanahan and Co.'s will as imagined above.

This is kind of why I would've been okay with Nonis sticking around. He's so bland and devoid of his own vision that he could fill that niche without ego and stand in as a meat-shield for Hunter's ascension.
 
herman said:
I can also see a teamplayer GM with so much aplomb that Shanahan is more than happy to cede most decisions to and they act more like a board/brain trust of advisors (is there a Babcock of GMs?). Otherwise, the GM role is just a contributor and executor of Shanahan and Co.'s will as imagined above.

This is kind of why I would've been okay with Nonis sticking around. He's so bland and devoid of his own vision that he could fill that niche without ego and stand in as a meat-shield for Hunter's ascension.
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Yeah, that was how I looked at it too. Especially considering that of all the things you can say about Nonis, the two things I don't think you can say about him are that either he negotiated a bunch of bad, way above markets contracts(even if you quibble with who he identified as the guys to sign) or that the trades he made were bad. Bernier, Holland, the deals at the deadline...he seemed to know how to work the phones to get pretty good value.  So long as he wasn't mapping out the big picture stuff I think he did pretty well in his time here.

Oh well, I suppose the Leafs are happy to pay him to goof off for the next few years.
 
From: http://theleafsnation.com/2015/6/9/graphic-maple-leafs-organizational-chart
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A theoretical org. chart for the Leafs' management team.
 
Frank E said:
Anyone heard if Kelly McCrimmon is in or out?
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Latest twitter search...

From Elliotte Friedman yesterday:

[tweet]609091547217289216[/tweet]

From Lance Hornby this morning:

[tweet]609356582871244800[/tweet]
 
Potvin29 said:
Frank E said:
CarltonTheBear said:
From Lance Hornby this morning:
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Thanks C...Lance Hornby really sticking his neck out there.
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I've also spoken to a few sources and this is what I'm hearing:

If he chooses to sign it could maybe happen today, or maybe one of the other days of the year.
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That jives with what my sources are telling me - he'll make his decision on a day that ends with y.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
Frank E said:
CarltonTheBear said:
From Lance Hornby this morning:
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Thanks C...Lance Hornby really sticking his neck out there.
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I've also spoken to a few sources and this is what I'm hearing:

If he chooses to sign it could maybe happen today, or maybe one of the other days of the year.
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That jives with what my sources are telling me - he'll make his decision on a day that ends with y.
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In further developments, he's narrowed his decision to one of either 'yes' or 'no'.
 
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