Luongo

[Tigger]

Do not want him and his anti -Burke tye contract

Not only has Burke been vocally against long-term contracts, he officially testified against his self-described friend and mentor (Lamoreillo) regarding the Kovalchuk fiasco. I firmly believe the Leafs are not interested in Luongo. They would have traded for him already if they really wanted him.

I don't think they would have traded for him until after the CBA was sorted out even if they are interested.

For sure, why would anyone trade with such uncertainty before hand? I mean regardless of any gm's stance on long term deals ( and I don't recall Burke saying he wouldn't trade for one ) it makes practically no sense to do so before the cba is inked.

 

[Redleaf]

This whole "Florida has the first right of refusal" thing is also throwing a wrench in there.  Luongo WANTS to go to Florida, and Gillis wants to hear a definite "no" from the GM there before he trades him anywhere else.

I don't think Gillis actually cares.. he cares about who has the best package for Luongo and/or who is going to take on that deal.  Luongo and his agent can probably figure out Florida's interest and hold out as them being the only team they will waive for but things could move quickly and he may run out of time to hold out for them.

I think part of him cares actually.  Bury Luongo in Florida where nobody in Vancouver will care or send him to the Leafs, one of their most hated cities.  His disdain for Burke is no secret either.

If disdain amongst general managers effects their decisions to make the best possible moves for their respected clubs, then they really should be in a different business.

 

[Redleaf]

Just reading from McKenzie tweet that no official announcements or trades can be made until Saturday, after both sides have signed MOU. So if there is a Luongo deal, we won't hear about it until then. Unless, of course, Burke comes right out and denies it, and puts an end to all the speculation.

 

[Zee]

This whole "Florida has the first right of refusal" thing is also throwing a wrench in there.  Luongo WANTS to go to Florida, and Gillis wants to hear a definite "no" from the GM there before he trades him anywhere else.

I don't think Gillis actually cares.. he cares about who has the best package for Luongo and/or who is going to take on that deal.  Luongo and his agent can probably figure out Florida's interest and hold out as them being the only team they will waive for but things could move quickly and he may run out of time to hold out for them.

I think part of him cares actually.  Bury Luongo in Florida where nobody in Vancouver will care or send him to the Leafs, one of their most hated cities.  His disdain for Burke is no secret either.

If disdain amongst general managers effects their decisions to make the best possible moves for their respected clubs, then they really should be in a different business.

They're all human and in some small way i'm sure he'd prefer to trade Luongo to Florida.  People make mistakes for the stupidest reasons sometimes.  It's great to think that everyone does everything based on their most pressing need but that's not always the reality when people and emotions are involved.

 

[Corn Flake]

This whole "Florida has the first right of refusal" thing is also throwing a wrench in there.  Luongo WANTS to go to Florida, and Gillis wants to hear a definite "no" from the GM there before he trades him anywhere else.

I don't think Gillis actually cares.. he cares about who has the best package for Luongo and/or who is going to take on that deal.  Luongo and his agent can probably figure out Florida's interest and hold out as them being the only team they will waive for but things could move quickly and he may run out of time to hold out for them.

I think part of him cares actually.  Bury Luongo in Florida where nobody in Vancouver will care or send him to the Leafs, one of their most hated cities.  His disdain for Burke is no secret either.

Yeah that is true, although the disdain for Burke thing I"m not so sure about, esp when it comes to a fellow GM taking on your giant albatross contract.  They had their spat about the Sedins but then Burke said he voted for Gillis for GM of the year after that.. I think these things come and go.

Plus, with East not playing West this year, it takes some of that optic pressure off.. they won't see Luongo until some time next year.

 

[Zee]

This whole "Florida has the first right of refusal" thing is also throwing a wrench in there.  Luongo WANTS to go to Florida, and Gillis wants to hear a definite "no" from the GM there before he trades him anywhere else.

I don't think Gillis actually cares.. he cares about who has the best package for Luongo and/or who is going to take on that deal.  Luongo and his agent can probably figure out Florida's interest and hold out as them being the only team they will waive for but things could move quickly and he may run out of time to hold out for them.

I think part of him cares actually.  Bury Luongo in Florida where nobody in Vancouver will care or send him to the Leafs, one of their most hated cities.  His disdain for Burke is no secret either.

Yeah that is true, although the disdain for Burke thing I"m not so sure about, esp when it comes to a fellow GM taking on your giant albatross contract.  They had their spat about the Sedins but then Burke said he voted for Gillis for GM of the year after that.. I think these things come and go.

Plus, with East not playing West this year, it takes some of that optic pressure off.. they won't see Luongo until some time next year.

Yeah I was thinking of that too.  Since we don't play Vancouver this season Gillis wouldn't have to see Luongo come back to Vancouver until next season at the earliest.  You're right i'm sure it's all water under the bridge, but it's no secret that many in Vancouver despise Toronto, and would prefer not to help the Leafs in any way shape or form.  Luongo might actually improve this team.

 

[Redleaf]

This whole "Florida has the first right of refusal" thing is also throwing a wrench in there.  Luongo WANTS to go to Florida, and Gillis wants to hear a definite "no" from the GM there before he trades him anywhere else.

I don't think Gillis actually cares.. he cares about who has the best package for Luongo and/or who is going to take on that deal.  Luongo and his agent can probably figure out Florida's interest and hold out as them being the only team they will waive for but things could move quickly and he may run out of time to hold out for them.

I think part of him cares actually.  Bury Luongo in Florida where nobody in Vancouver will care or send him to the Leafs, one of their most hated cities.  His disdain for Burke is no secret either.

Yeah that is true, although the disdain for Burke thing I"m not so sure about, esp when it comes to a fellow GM taking on your giant albatross contract.  They had their spat about the Sedins but then Burke said he voted for Gillis for GM of the year after that.. I think these things come and go.

Plus, with East not playing West this year, it takes some of that optic pressure off.. they won't see Luongo until some time next year.

Unless Luongo backstops the Leafs all the way to the cup final, where we meet....The Canucks  ;D

EDIT: sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

[jdh1]

I think I'm still in the camp on not getting Luongo..that contract is just too long.Reimer I feel will get his game back together and or Scrivens.

If they acquire a goalie..I would prefer if they looked elsewhere,someone younger with a upside especially if Bozak and Kadri are going the other way...The way is the future and we'll be stuck with a huge buyout if we go with Luo. I'm afraid.

 

[Zee]

I think I'm still in the camp on not getting Luongo..that contract is just too long.Reimer I feel will get his game back together and or Scrivens.

If they acquire a goalie..I would prefer if they looked elsewhere,someone younger with a upside especially if Bozak and Kadri are going the other way...The way is the future and we'll be stuck with a huge buyout if we go with Luo. I'm afraid.

Considering his age right now you're probably right.  He'll be 34 this season, a combo of failing skills and higher potential for injuries due to age will probably see him decline quickly.  I think best hope is him getting 2-3 seasons of great goaltending provided he stays healthy.  It's rare for goalies to play into their upper 30s and 40s and remain really solid.  I guess guys like Thomas, Brodeur, Hasek jump to mind, but they're the exception.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Isn't Backstrom a UFA this summer or has Minny resigned him?

 

[Bullfrog]

This is pretty much where I'm at. Guys of Luongo's caliber don't become available every day. I know it's not a responsible way to think, but I'll worry about what happens in 2020 when it gets here.

Those are my exact thoughts. Short-sighted perhaps, but I'm not the GM so I don't really care. They've got a 4.5M/year 6th defenseman, I'm sure the Leafs could handle a $5.3M/year backup goalie if need be.

 

[Zee]

This is pretty much where I'm at. Guys of Luongo's caliber don't become available every day. I know it's not a responsible way to think, but I'll worry about what happens in 2020 when it gets here.

Those are my exact thoughts. Short-sighted perhaps, but I'm not the GM so I don't really care. They've got a 4.5M/year 6th defenseman, I'm sure the Leafs could handle a $5.3M/year backup goalie if need be.

Yeah what do I care, it's not my money.  I just want the Leafs to win.  Sometimes fans get too hung up on contracts as if we're paying them.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah what do I care, it's not my money.  I just want the Leafs to win.  Sometimes fans get too hung up on contracts as if we're paying them.

I don't see too many people complaining about the money. The problem with Luongo's contract is (and has always been) the length. If he doesn't retire when he play goes south (which if eventually will, it's really just a matter of when), that could really hamper the team's flexibility.

 

[Corn Flake]

To those who would prefer to go with Reimer/Scrivens, what happens if it turns into another poop show like we've had for years now?  What would the Leafs do next in the summer with Luongo presumably gone elsewhere?

As it was said, goalies like him don't come along often so you can't assume there will be another top 5 goalie on the market. 

I like Reimer and I like Scrivens but I just can't fathom taking the risk that Reimer will play like he did at his best, and/or Scrivens can back fill at a top 10 NHL goalie level if he doesn't.

 

[Tigger]

I think you have to have a clear understanding of the contract consequences before you can really answer that, if the recapture is a hassle for the Leafs and they can't bury him you really have to think about it, in addition to what the initial cost might be.

The fa options aren't great/dependable next year, Backstrom and Thomas top the list IIRC, not sure what the trade market outside of Luongo really is either.

 

[jdh1]

Well,I hear you on that...however Reimer is so new of a NHL goalie,I can't see, but a upside with him ,considering he was battling injury last year...where as with Luongo,his best is most likely behind him.

If we get Lou ..we get him,but I still see Reimer as a no.1 if not here somewhere.

 

[Rick C.]

Just reading from McKenzie tweet that no official announcements or trades can be made until Saturday, after both sides have signed MOU. So if there is a Luongo deal, we won't hear about it until then. Unless, of course, Burke comes right out and denies it, and puts an end to all the speculation.

Hmm, forgot about this angle.

 

[Rick C.]

The talk is Gardiner and Kadri for Luongo.  A little to steep for my liking.

 

[maplesyrup]

The talk is Gardiner and Kadri for Luongo.  A little to steep for my liking.

No way I include Gardiner. If (big if) Burke fell on his sword over Gardiner, I completely understand.

 

[rdowdall]

The talk is Gardiner and Kadri for Luongo.  A little to steep for my liking.

No way I include Gardiner. If (big if) Burke fell on his sword over Gardiner, I completely understand.

If Gardiner and Kadri go for Luongo the Leafs should fire Nonis.