Luongo

[Heroic Shrimp]

Tweets from Damien Cox:

"Worth noting at June draft Canucks could've had Kadri, Bozak and a pick for Luongo. Got greedy. Now have lost as many as have won."

"Canucks were looking for something more like Gardiner, Frattin, 1st round pick and another piece. Felt could demand that from weak Leafs."

"Those who once sneered at possibility Kadri or any Leaf wud be adequate compensation for Luongo now insisting that deal never available."

"Gillis banked on Leafs not be able to get far with Reimer/Scrivens combo, wud come begging for Luongo. To be fair, many agreed with him."

And here's what Cox said February 19th:

@DamoSpin

Can see why VAN hoped to get Kadri for Luongo. Can see why Leafs said no bloody chance.

Yeah, no Cox has no credibility.

"No bloody chance... unless you also take Bozak and a pick."

 

[Kin]

And here's what Cox said February 19th:

@DamoSpin

Can see why VAN hoped to get Kadri for Luongo. Can see why Leafs said no bloody chance.

Yeah, no Cox has no credibility.

I'm guessing some are calling him on this as he recently tweeted:

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin
Interesting some don't understand diff btwn VAN could have had Kadri at the draft but Leafs no longer willing by Jan. Willful ignorance?

Will try one more time. There's what the Leafs might have given up for Luongo at the draft. Then what changed by Jan. Any better?

No Damien, it isn't.

Just for my own understanding...isn't what Cox is saying here what we more or less discussed on this board? That there were discussions both at the draft and post-lockout that involved Kadri to one degree or another? I don't see anything in Cox's tweets that make it unreasonable to think he's talking about the two different discussions.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

And here's what Cox said February 19th:

@DamoSpin

Can see why VAN hoped to get Kadri for Luongo. Can see why Leafs said no bloody chance.

Yeah, no Cox has no credibility.

I'm guessing some are calling him on this as he recently tweeted:

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin
Interesting some don't understand diff btwn VAN could have had Kadri at the draft but Leafs no longer willing by Jan. Willful ignorance?

Will try one more time. There's what the Leafs might have given up for Luongo at the draft. Then what changed by Jan. Any better?

No Damien, it isn't.

He's getting it good now: http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/03/07/at-what-point-does-someone-lose-all-credibility/

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Just for my own understanding...isn't what Cox is saying here what we more or less discussed on this board? That there were discussions both at the draft and post-lockout that involved Kadri to one degree or another? I don't see anything in Cox's tweets that make it unreasonable to think he's talking about the two different discussions.

Cox said that the Leafs offered the Bozak, Kadri, and a pick for Luongo trade proposal and Vancouver turned it down. The common rumour during the time was that that was the package that Vancouver offered and the Leafs turned down. He's trying to make Vancouver look like idiots for turning down a trade that they themselves proposed.

 

[Kin]

Cox said that the Leafs offered the Bozak, Kadri, and a pick for Luongo trade proposal and Vancouver turned it down. The common rumour during the time was that that was the package that Vancouver offered and the Leafs turned down. He's trying to make Vancouver look like idiots for turning down a trade that they themselves proposed.

Sure, but if the thing here is that what Cox is saying contradicts what was a common rumour that's not really a matter of fact then is it?

 

[dappleganger]

Just for my own understanding...isn't what Cox is saying here what we more or less discussed on this board? That there were discussions both at the draft and post-lockout that involved Kadri to one degree or another? I don't see anything in Cox's tweets that make it unreasonable to think he's talking about the two different discussions.

I think my only problem is he says Vancouver could've had (implying the Leafs offered) Kadri+Bozak and a pick for Luongo and then changed it to what the Leafs might have given up at the draft.

One sounds like a fact and the other is speculation. Which one is it Cox?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Cox said that the Leafs offered the Bozak, Kadri, and a pick for Luongo trade proposal and Vancouver turned it down. The common rumour during the time was that that was the package that Vancouver offered and the Leafs turned down. He's trying to make Vancouver look like idiots for turning down a trade that they themselves proposed.

Sure, but if the thing here is that what Cox is saying contradicts what was a common rumour that's not really a matter of fact then is it?

No, it's not a fact. But like Potvin showed, Cox himself at one point believed in the version of the rumour that Vancouver offered the package. In a span of two weeks he went from saying that there was "no bloody chance" that Toronto would trade Kadri to Vancouver to bashing Vancouver for not accepting a trade proposal that involved Kadri. And again like Potvin showed in that link, this isn't the first time that Cox has completely contradicted himself in a short period of time like this.

 

[bustaheims]

The way I read it is that, on one hand, Cox is saying the Leafs offered a deal that included Kadri, while, on the other hand, saying the Leafs refused to part with Kadri.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The way I read it is that, on one hand, Cox is saying the Leafs offered a deal that included Kadri, while, on the other hand, saying the Leafs refused to part with Kadri.

Makes sense, sorry to have doubted you Damien.

 

[Champ Kind]

Just for my own understanding...isn't what Cox is saying here what we more or less discussed on this board? That there were discussions both at the draft and post-lockout that involved Kadri to one degree or another? I don't see anything in Cox's tweets that make it unreasonable to think he's talking about the two different discussions.

Cox said that the Leafs offered the Bozak, Kadri, and a pick for Luongo trade proposal and Vancouver turned it down. The common rumour during the time was that that was the package that Vancouver offered and the Leafs turned down. He's trying to make Vancouver look like idiots for turning down a trade that they themselves proposed.

May I add that he's simultaneously trying to make Burke look like an idiot as well.  Special today, two plums for one, as it were (I'm a Will Ferrell fan, sorry).  Gillis the greedy egomaniac, and Burke (or Toronto) the hopeless and perennial fools.

 

[Kin]

No, it's not a fact. But like Potvin showed, Cox himself at one point believed in the version of the rumour that Vancouver offered the package. In a span of two weeks he went from saying that there was "no bloody chance" that Toronto would trade Kadri to Vancouver in January to bashing Vancouver for not accepting a trade proposal that involved Kadri at the draft. 

Sorry to alter your post but I'm just trying to make it clear how this reads to me. I'm just confused I suppose by the link potvin posted that had paragraphs like:

In fact, the Leafs never offered Kadri, Bozak, and a pick; instead, that was what Gillis reportedly asked for in a trade for Luongo from the Leafs. So, at no point could the Canucks have had Kadri, Bozak, and a pick for Luongo, because Burke and Nonis said no to that offer. What actually happened is the complete opposite of what Damien Cox said.

It just struck me like the criticism here is based on someone saying that Cox is factually wrong when we have essentially nothing in the way of facts.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Nice to see a trade not happen and because it not happening, it worked out in the Leafs favour, if that trade had gone down, it may have been one of the worst Leafs trade in my time being a fan.

Agree.

 

[Bullfrog]

it would also be the complete opposite of what both Burke and Nonis have said: they'd only trade young skilled players for other young skilled players.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@SteveBurtch

Schneider's career ES SV% currently sits at .929 after facing 1650 shots. Reimer's career ES SV% is sitting at .925 after 2123 SOG

Vancouver may end up either keeping Schneider and having him not turn into the amazing goalie they thought, or be stuck with Luongo's hit for a looong time.

 

[Redleaf]

I said it as a joke in the GDT, but it wouldn't surprise me if talks are back on between Nonis and Gillis for Luo.

 

[Derk]

Talks allegedly back on for Luongo? Say it ain't so!

It apparently started with Cox last week suggesting Bozak's name is now in play because of the apparent raise he is looking for.

There is no way I take on that albatross of a contract, even if it is for nothing.

 

[Zee]

@SteveBurtch

Schneider's career ES SV% currently sits at .929 after facing 1650 shots. Reimer's career ES SV% is sitting at .925 after 2123 SOG

Vancouver may end up either keeping Schneider and having him not turn into the amazing goalie they thought, or be stuck with Luongo's hit for a looong time.

They can still buy out Luongo in the off season if they're willing to eat money so the cap hit goes away.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@SteveBurtch

Schneider's career ES SV% currently sits at .929 after facing 1650 shots. Reimer's career ES SV% is sitting at .925 after 2123 SOG

Vancouver may end up either keeping Schneider and having him not turn into the amazing goalie they thought, or be stuck with Luongo's hit for a looong time.

They can still buy out Luongo in the off season if they're willing to eat money so the cap hit goes away.

That's what the first part of what I said was meant to address why it could be an issue.

 

[cw]

Luongo refused to waive ?no trade? to join Leafs
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/luongo-refused-to-waive-no-trade-to-join-leafs/

If true, that's a blessing

 

[Peter D.]

I said it as a joke in the GDT, but it wouldn't surprise me if talks are back on between Nonis and Gillis for Luo.

I don't get why Luongo would be an option at this moment.

I've been one who has said I'd gladly take Luongo as a Leaf.  But the way this season has gone, what's the rush in acquiring him within the next 48 hours as opposed to waiting until the off-season?