Lupul signs five-year contract extension
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GhostofPotvin29
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Deebo said:
Yep, just providing another link so whichever is right we'll hopefully be covered - perhaps Carlyle misspoke, or the G & M link misheard.
EDIT: Just to follow up, TSN.ca says up to 6 weeks now.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=414368
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nhl/news/story?id=6104968
As for the conditional draft pick: If Lupul is on the Maple Leafs' roster for 40 or more games in 2012-13, Toronto gets a fourth-round pick in 2013. If he's not on Leafs roster for 40 or more games, Toronto gets a sixth-rounder from Anaheim.
If that's accurate, Toronto is likely to lose the 4th rounder (for sure, if the games are not prorated) for a 6th.
I don't understand the logic of that conditional portion of the trade. If you will:
"If Toronto gets more use out of Lupul, then Anaheim has to give Toronto even more. If Toronto gets less use out of Lupul, then Anaheim will give Toronto less."
Can anyone explain that logic? It seems a stretch to blame it on cap space Lupul would consume rather than LTIR.
I have seen it reported that way in more than one place but it left me scratching my head. Maybe I'm missing something.
As for the conditional draft pick: If Lupul is on the Maple Leafs' roster for 40 or more games in 2012-13, Toronto gets a fourth-round pick in 2013. If he's not on Leafs roster for 40 or more games, Toronto gets a sixth-rounder from Anaheim.
If that's accurate, Toronto is likely to lose the 4th rounder (for sure, if the games are not prorated) for a 6th.
I don't understand the logic of that conditional portion of the trade. If you will:
"If Toronto gets more use out of Lupul, then Anaheim has to give Toronto even more. If Toronto gets less use out of Lupul, then Anaheim will give Toronto less."
Can anyone explain that logic? It seems a stretch to blame it on cap space Lupul would consume rather than LTIR.
I have seen it reported that way in more than one place but it left me scratching my head. Maybe I'm missing something.
bustaheims
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cw said:
I don't think the Leafs would lose the pick there, as Lupul being in the IR would still be considered to be on the Leafs roster. The logic behind it, as I see it, was that Lupul was very much considered to be a cap dump by Anaheim and this was some protection for the Leafs if injuries forced them into keeping him around when they would have liked to have moved him.
BlueWhiteBlood
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I think it's the other way around. Why would a GM sign that kind of deal, Lupul was supposed to play less games, that was the risk.
I think it's if Lupul plays more than 40 games, it's a 6th rounder, but if he plays less than 40 games it's a 4th. That's makes more sense.
I think it's if Lupul plays more than 40 games, it's a 6th rounder, but if he plays less than 40 games it's a 4th. That's makes more sense.
BlueWhiteBlood said:
That's my reaction. Canadian Press and others worded it the way LeBrun at ESPN had it.
So I checked further. didn't find it in mainstream media but:
http://thehockeywriters.com/several-deals-come-together-well-in-advance-of-deadline/
The draft pick is conditional on Lupul being on Toronto?s reserve list for 40 or more games in 2012-13 ? if he?s not, then Anaheim trades their 6th rounder instead of the 4th rounder in 2013.
Reserve list is different than roster in the CBA (to some, that's obvious).
The CBA says ""Reserve List" means the list of all Players to whom a Club has rights
...
The Injured Reserve List is a category of the Reserve List."
and
"Active Roster shall include all Players on a Club's Reserve List who are signed to an approved and registered SPC, subject to the provisions of Article 11, and who are not on the Injured Reserve List, Injured Non Roster, designated Non-Roster, or Loaned."
So maybe the above means that if Lupul is the Leafs property (on injured reserve list or otherwise) for 40 or more games in 2012-13, the Leafs get a 4th round pick. But if Burke trades him (off the Leafs reserve list), then the Leafs would only get a 6th round pick (Anaheim would kind of get a commission if you will on that deal).
That makes more sense to me but I'm still not positive. (I'd like the 4th rounder !!
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
I remember at the time of the trade LeBrun was adamant that those were the conditions of the trade. People on twitter were even asking if he had it mixed up and he replied that he hadn't.
I think busta's explanation is why it was structured like that. With his injury history, Lupul's contract was an incredibly risky one to pick up, especially considering it was signed past the CBA expiration date.
BlueWhiteBlood
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cw said:That makes more sense to me but I'm still not positive. (I'd like the 4th rounder !!
Right, I'll twist anyway to Sunday to make us get the 4th...
CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah, I can't remember that far back, but I'm sure LeBrun is correct. I was just trying to make sense of it logically.
Where does Lupul fit in when he comes back from his injury? I wouldn't want to mess with the chemistry on the first line right now and I do like Komarov on the line with Grabo and Kulemin. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Lupul on the Kadri/Frattin line. Macarthur finally found the back of the next last night, but to me he's the odd man out at the end of the day.
Champ Kind
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sb78 said:
The Leafs are playing well right now and are enjoying success, but this is still not a world-beater. By the time Lupul returns, the chemistry of the team may not be as great as it looks right now.
Leafaholic99
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sb78 said:
Id place him with Kadri and Frattin, let him work his way back in slowly.
Kessel Run
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By the sounds of that, another month most likely.