Maple Leafs @ Coyotes - Feb. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590

[Deebo]

Why wouldn't Sparks get the start in this one? Saving him for red-hot St. Louis?

Haven't heard who the confirmed starter is but I don't see Sparks to be playing either game. No back to backs here and we need wins. Have to keep home ice for the first round.

If the Leafs feel that they can't beat Arizona with their backup then I wouldn't invest too much in thinking that they can get out of the 1st round home ice or not.  To me, this should be a simple choice to keep Andersen's workload reasonable.

They don't play again until Tuesday.

 

[Bates]

Your post is obvious but does not reflect reality of most Cities having people with kids and money not living in core areas.

Yes it does. Again, this is just a basic concept of geography. Even if there are large population centres outside of the city a centralized location will make travel time easier for the most people. If you put a team to the East of a major population centre, it will make things longer for people from the West and vice-versa. Put it in the centre and it cuts time for the most people.

There are always exceptions but NHL attendees Aren't exactly all inner City dwellers.

Sure, because it's 1986 and most downtown areas of major cities are all really affordable, run down locations.

So back to AZ again, there are very few areas of Phoenix where you can drive and park in downtown from in less time than similar drive and park to Westgate. Transit is pretty much useless so not relevant. From Carefree the drive to Westgate and Downtown are roughly equal, lack of traffuc and parking favors Glendale greatly. And back to my original assertion, the 45 minutes to drive, park, and enter arena would be a shorter commute than pretty much every arena in the NHL on average.

 

[Joe S.]

Why wouldn't Sparks get the start in this one? Saving him for red-hot St. Louis?

Haven't heard who the confirmed starter is but I don't see Sparks to be playing either game. No back to backs here and we need wins. Have to keep home ice for the first round.

If the Leafs feel that they can't beat Arizona with their backup then I wouldn't invest too much in thinking that they can get out of the 1st round home ice or not.  To me, this should be a simple choice to keep Andersen's workload reasonable.

The leafs already lost 4-1 this season to the coyotes with Andersen in net. So should they just pack up and concede the rest of the season?

 

[Kin]

And back to my original assertion, the 45 minutes to drive, park, and enter arena would be a shorter commute than pretty much every arena in the NHL on average.

Yes, because you're living under the delusion that people who live in cities don't attend hockey games. Again, there is a reason that the biggest cities in the league put their arenas in their downtowns that are well served by public transit.

 

[ZBBM]

I'd give Sparks these games:

2/16: @ ARI
2/27: EDM
3/13: CHI
3/16: @ OTT
3/20: @ BUF
3/25: FLA
3/30: @ OTT
4/2: CAR
4/6: @ MTL

Using GT's math that would give Andersen 58 starts total, + rest during the last week before the playoffs.  I think it's well worth trying.  Andersen has never been asked to carry the load for a deep playoff run and conserving him now may pay off later.

 

[ZBBM]

Why wouldn't Sparks get the start in this one? Saving him for red-hot St. Louis?

Haven't heard who the confirmed starter is but I don't see Sparks to be playing either game. No back to backs here and we need wins. Have to keep home ice for the first round.

If the Leafs feel that they can't beat Arizona with their backup then I wouldn't invest too much in thinking that they can get out of the 1st round home ice or not.  To me, this should be a simple choice to keep Andersen's workload reasonable.

The leafs already lost 4-1 this season to the coyotes with Andersen in net. So should they just pack up and concede the rest of the season?

Sounds like an argument for starting Sparks tonight since they obviously own Andersen.

 

[Kin]

I'd give Sparks these games:

2/16: @ ARI
2/27: EDM
3/13: CHI
3/16: @ OTT
3/20: @ BUF
3/25: FLA
3/30: @ OTT
4/2: CAR
4/6: @ MTL

Using GT's math that would give Andersen 58 starts total, + rest during the last week before the playoffs.  I think it's well worth trying.  Andersen has never been asked to carry the load for a deep playoff run and conserving him now may pay off later.

The idea that a 58 vs. 59 or 61 game workload represents a tangible difference in his effectiveness for a deep playoff run is, and I want to get the technical wording here, something you've pulled out of your butt.

 

[ZBBM]

I'd give Sparks these games:

2/16: @ ARI
2/27: EDM
3/13: CHI
3/16: @ OTT
3/20: @ BUF
3/25: FLA
3/30: @ OTT
4/2: CAR
4/6: @ MTL

Using GT's math that would give Andersen 58 starts total, + rest during the last week before the playoffs.  I think it's well worth trying.  Andersen has never been asked to carry the load for a deep playoff run and conserving him now may pay off later.

The idea that a 58 vs. 59 or 61 game workload represents a tangible difference in his effectiveness for a deep playoff run is, and I want to get the technical wording here, something you've pulled out of your butt.

So then, perfesser, what is the specific cutoff point, since, unlike me, you've asserted there is one?  And then demonstrate to us all how your number isn't pulled out of your learned butt.

 

[ZBBM]

I'd give Sparks these games:

2/16: @ ARI
2/27: EDM
3/13: CHI
3/16: @ OTT
3/20: @ BUF
3/25: FLA
3/30: @ OTT
4/2: CAR
4/6: @ MTL

Using GT's math that would give Andersen 58 starts total, + rest during the last week before the playoffs.  I think it's well worth trying.  Andersen has never been asked to carry the load for a deep playoff run and conserving him now may pay off later.

The idea that a 58 vs. 59 or 61 game workload represents a tangible difference in his effectiveness for a deep playoff run is, and I want to get the technical wording here, something you've pulled out of your butt.

So then, perfesser, what is the specific cutoff point, since, unlike me, you've asserted there is one?  And then demonstrate to us all how your number isn't pulled out of your learned butt.

You didn't answer quickly enough.  Now I've got to finish lunch and then back to work.

 

[Kin]

So then, perfesser, what is the specific cutoff point, since, unlike me, you've asserted there is one?

I don't know. It's why I wouldn't criticize the team for choosing to start Anderson a specific number of games because A) I have no idea what the number is and B) I think the issue is more about rest between games than it is a cumulative effect.

 

[Frank E]

Why wouldn't Sparks get the start in this one? Saving him for red-hot St. Louis?

Haven't heard who the confirmed starter is but I don't see Sparks to be playing either game. No back to backs here and we need wins. Have to keep home ice for the first round.

If the Leafs feel that they can't beat Arizona with their backup then I wouldn't invest too much in thinking that they can get out of the 1st round home ice or not.  To me, this should be a simple choice to keep Andersen's workload reasonable.

The leafs already lost 4-1 this season to the coyotes with Andersen in net. So should they just pack up and concede the rest of the season?

I don't think that's what's being said here.  I think the suggestion here is that games against bottom feeder teams should probably go to the back-up at this point of the season, given we understand that they're looking to rest Andersen a little more this season.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Why wouldn't Sparks get the start in this one? Saving him for red-hot St. Louis?

Haven't heard who the confirmed starter is but I don't see Sparks to be playing either game. No back to backs here and we need wins. Have to keep home ice for the first round.

If the Leafs feel that they can't beat Arizona with their backup then I wouldn't invest too much in thinking that they can get out of the 1st round home ice or not.  To me, this should be a simple choice to keep Andersen's workload reasonable.

The leafs already lost 4-1 this season to the coyotes with Andersen in net. So should they just pack up and concede the rest of the season?

I don't think that's what's being said here.  I think the suggestion here is that games against bottom feeder teams should probably go to the back-up at this point of the season, given we understand that they're looking to rest Andersen a little more this season.

I trust Babs and company have a plan in place to make sure Freddie is not worn out to start the playoffs. If they continue with the back to back scenario, Freddie will get a little more rest this season , 5 fewer games minimum.

 

[Bates]

And back to my original assertion, the 45 minutes to drive, park, and enter arena would be a shorter commute than pretty much every arena in the NHL on average.

Yes, because you're living under the delusion that people who live in cities don't attend hockey games. Again, there is a reason that the biggest cities in the league put their arenas in their downtowns that are well served by public transit.

I can't really be expected to backup an assertion I never made? But as an example from the City being discussed,  a very low number of Phoenix residents attend Coyote's games.

 

[Kin]

But as an example from the City being discussed,  a very low number of Phoenix residents attend Coyote's games.

A very low number of people attend Coyotes games, full stop.

 

[Bates]

But as an example from the City being discussed,  a very low number of Phoenix residents attend Coyote's games.

A very low number of people attend Coyotes games, full stop.

1700 per night less than Winnipeg.

 

[Kin]

1700 per night less than Winnipeg.

Or, as we know it colloquially, the smallest arena in the NHL.

 

[Bates]

1700 per night less than Winnipeg.

Or, as we know it colloquially, the smallest arena in the NHL.

Why does it matter? It isn't costing me anything and if someone else chooses to operate a money losing business why should I care? You hate Uber and Amazon as well?

 

[Joe S.]

Why wouldn't Sparks get the start in this one? Saving him for red-hot St. Louis?

Haven't heard who the confirmed starter is but I don't see Sparks to be playing either game. No back to backs here and we need wins. Have to keep home ice for the first round.

If the Leafs feel that they can't beat Arizona with their backup then I wouldn't invest too much in thinking that they can get out of the 1st round home ice or not.  To me, this should be a simple choice to keep Andersen's workload reasonable.

The leafs already lost 4-1 this season to the coyotes with Andersen in net. So should they just pack up and concede the rest of the season?

Sounds like an argument for starting Sparks tonight since they obviously own Andersen.

Boom!

 

[Joe S.]

Didn?t brodeur start all 82 regular season games and then go in to win 45 cups?

 

[AvroArrow]

Can you guys take your arguments elsewhere? This is an injury update thread.