Marleau being shopped around
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ZBBM
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Kypreos sounded pretty sure of himself, but of course pundits are paid to sound like that.
What's fishy to me about what he said is the landing spots. None of them make sense. LA is an archrival of SJ ... does that make sense? AZ never makes sense on any level. Functionally speaking, Colorado is not really much closer to SJ than Toronto, in terms of popping in to see the fam.
If the goal is to win a Cup, none of these places has a better chance to win than San Jose. If we retain some salary and ask for essentially nothing in return, I think if he does waive to go back West the best chance is that he goes back there for one last fling with Thornton & Co.
What's fishy to me about what he said is the landing spots. None of them make sense. LA is an archrival of SJ ... does that make sense? AZ never makes sense on any level. Functionally speaking, Colorado is not really much closer to SJ than Toronto, in terms of popping in to see the fam.
If the goal is to win a Cup, none of these places has a better chance to win than San Jose. If we retain some salary and ask for essentially nothing in return, I think if he does waive to go back West the best chance is that he goes back there for one last fling with Thornton & Co.
Guilt Trip
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Marleau listed LA as a landing spot that hed welcome a trade to so it isn't a surprise to see them listed. If the Leafs could trade Marleau and retain 1 mill only, thats would be a huge win.
Kin
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Kypreos: Marleau's family is moving back to SJ and Marleau would like to play somewhere close to there.
ZZBM: How can we crack this code of potential West coast landing spots?
And I'm not sure what function you're speaking of but there doesn't seem to be any direct flights from Toronto to San Jose and the shortest trip is roughly seven and a half hours with a transfer. Denver does have non-stop service to San Jose in two and a half hours.
Kin
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princedpw said:
Important to keep in mind that in terms of actual dollars if he's traded post-July 1st he's only owed 2.75. Which really isn't actually all that out of whack for his production and all those top-notch leadershippy intangibles he brings. If the team he's being traded to is in no real danger of hitting the cap, which seems to apply to most of the teams we're talking about as potential destinations, then his contract may not be all that much of a negative.
Especially if he's open to being dealt at the deadline should his team be out of it.
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Nik the Trik said:
If the Leafs were to retain $1m of Marleau?s contract, how would that work in terms of actual money spent and what?s left on the cap hit?
Does his cap hit go down to $5.25m but actually money left to pay goes down to $1.75m?
bustaheims
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Dappleganger said:
The Leafs would pay the equivalent percentage of his remaining salary - so, roughly $450K.
ZBBM
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Nik the Trik said:
Hey, take your fellow Nick's word for it. He did say it while wearing a suit on a Saturday night, so it does check those credibility boxes. Heck, he might even be right.
And thanks for playing travel agent. I think I'll stick to my POV here, since by the time you add in ground transfers (Denver airport is 20 miles out of town, SJ has some of the worst traffic in the country), you are looking at 7-8 hours r/t door to door. Marleau may end up in Denver, but not because it'll be vastly more super-convenient to visit his family.
princedpw said:
Who says other GMs see him as a 4th line player? On a 100-point team he was 5th among forwards in 5-on-5 ice time and 6th in total average ice time and he recorded just under 40 points. In the playoffs he dropped to 8th in ice time per game, but that's still 3rd line minutes.
Much like any potential Zaitsev trade talk, let's remember that GMs don't always see performance like we do. To some GM Zaitsev is a minute-eating top-4 RHD. To some GM Marleau is a middle-6 forward who can put up 40 points and has intangibles coming out his butt. It'll certainly take some salary retention but it wouldn't surprise me to see another GM want him on their team, especially since the Leafs won't be looking for much/anything back in return.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:When did Kyle Dubas seize control of your account?
Hey I've been saying "NHL GMs are idiots" since before people knew who Dubas was.
Kin
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
San Jose's traffic is something he'd have to deal with regardless of where he's flying in from and Google has a shorter trip from downtown Denver to their airport than Toronto and Pearson so even if you're right you're still probably talking about 7-8 hours vs. 17-18 hours. If you don't think 10 hours travel time is a significant difference, god bless, but I know which commute I'd rather go with.
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CarltonTheBear said:
If Colorado or LA or Arizona are legitimately interested they may ask for the Leafs to retain but looking at their cap situations they probably wouldn't be doing it out of necessity. Unless they're planning on being big players in the UFA market Marleau they definitely could eat his cap hit and get a better deal from the Leafs for it.
Colorado's cap situation, even accounting for the Rantanen deal, is pretty crazy. They could do all sorts of things this off-season.
CarltonTheBear said:
As much as I?d like to believe it, I just don?t think other GMs are that dumb. Look at Marleau?s scoring trend over the last 3 years (recall the number of empty netter he got the prior year). He?s played a lot of time with high-end talent (Matthews, Kadri) and relatively sheltered minutes. He?s going to be 40 and he?s undergoing the normal trend for players of that age, which means another step down next year in all likelihood.
Throw in the fact that the other teams know that the leafs are squeezed and desperate for cap relief and other teams will rightfully exploit that.
With Zaitsev, I can buy it, because he?s 27, plays the toughest possible minutes and he does have some strengths as a defenseman. He?s also at a premium position where there?s a league-wide shortage. There are most definitely more teams needing RHD than UFAs available. If Zaitsev was a UFA, it wouldn?t shock me at all if someone paid $4.5/year for 5 years. In a climbing cap world, his contract will get cheaper and cheaper.
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CarltonTheBear said:
It's tough to know for sure, but I have a feeling a trade is already done - they're just waiting to pay his July 1st signing bonus.
I'm no insider, though.
louisstamos said:It's tough to know for sure, but I have a feeling a trade is already done - they're just waiting to pay his July 1st signing bonus.
I'm no insider, though.
Maybe. With his family going back to San Jose regardless though that house/mansion/castle sure would have felt pretty empty. Even if he ends up staying I'd imagine he'd want to sell that and move into something a touch smaller. Properties like that also aren't the easiest to sell so it might take a little while.