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Marlies Talk

WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
That smells a little off to me.  Frattin and Ashton I'll give you...but there are at least four maybe five forwards that Mueller should be ahead of automatically, he was third on the team in points for frack sake..
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I mean, that's pretty impressive depth for the AHL. There's pretty much nowhere for him to play in the top-9 and you still need grinders like Scott and Rosehill on the 4th line.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
That smells a little off to me.  Frattin and Ashton I'll give you...but there are at least four maybe five forwards that Mueller should be ahead of automatically, he was third on the team in points for frack sake..
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I mean, that's pretty impressive depth for the AHL. There's pretty much nowhere for him to play in the top-9 and you still need grinders like Scott and Rosehill on the 4th line.
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It is very nice I agree, but when you consider he outscored most of that lineup, even the guys in the top nine, then the argument starts to fall down.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
It is very nice I agree, but when you consider he outscored most of that lineup, even the guys in the top nine, then the argument starts to fall down.
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Well he outscored them because he played more than them. In terms of points per game as a Marlie, the only players in the top-9 that didn't outscored him were Colborne, Ashton, and D'Amigo. Colborne is a centre so Mueller wasn't taking his spot. I'm not sure you can argue that D'Amigo should be sitting instead of Mueller considering his play in the first two games. So really the only player you can make an argument for is Ashton.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
It is very nice I agree, but when you consider he outscored most of that lineup, even the guys in the top nine, then the argument starts to fall down.
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Well he outscored them because he played more than them. In terms of points per game as a Marlie, the only players in the top-9 that outscored him were Colborne, Ashton, and D'Amigo. Colborne is a centre so Mueller wasn't taking his spot. I'm not sure you can argue that D'Amigo should be sitting instead of Mueller considering his play in the first two games. So really the only player you can make an argument for is Ashton.
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Colborne hasn't been playing at centre in the playoffs most of the time.

They've had him on D'Amigo's wing for the most part.

You're right you can't argue about D'Amigo's play, but I still feel there are others that should be sitting ahead of Mueller.

I think part of my issue is I see Mueller as a prospect still and there are a few guys in that top 12 that probably don't have a shot in the NHL.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Colborne hasn't been playing at centre in the playoffs most of the time.

They've had him on D'Amigo's wing for the most part.
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They talked after the game about how Colborne was hurt and wasn't taking face-offs, but I still think he was playing centre after the draw was he not?

WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
You're right you can't argue about D'Amigo's play, but I still feel there are others that should be sitting ahead of Mueller.

I think part of my issue is I see Mueller as a prospect still and there are a few guys in that top 12 that probably don't have a shot in the NHL.
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I think it's easy to say that as a fan, but Eakins' job is still to win hockey games. A player doesn't get a spot in the line-up or ice-time just because he has NHL upside. If that was the case then the Marlies probably wouldn't be in the playoffs and the guys with upside in the line-up wouldn't be earning this valuable experience.
 
I mean it's not like having Mueller in there is or has been a detriment to the team too, couple that with his prospect status and I would have a spot for him.  In fact he is productive and plays a physical game, Dupuis and Deschamps recently talked about how much they enjoy playing with him on their win because he is so great in the puck battles and making space.

I take your point regarding Eakins having to make the tough calls to win games, I just think Mueller should have played with that being said.
 
Yeah, in the end, the bottom line is the Marlies are winning.  I don't think Rosehill needs playing time though.  He shouldn't even be playing professional hockey IMO but Mueller's not going to have an amazing opportunity on the 4th line (although I think he's got the right body and amount of physicality to be a reasonable 3rd line player).

I think its tough when a guy is there for the entire year, plays well, and then loses his job to a guy who really isn't a hockey player so much as a guy who is willing to get his face pounded in.

I like Eakins as a coach though and I'm going to trust the judgement of the coach, especially when the team is up 2-0 in the series.  To be honest at the outset, I probably would have played Mueller over D'Amigo and look how that turned out.  I wonder if he's going to get a longer look at training camp now if he can keep up the playoff heroics.
 
L K said:
Yeah, in the end, the bottom line is the Marlies are winning.  I don't think Rosehill needs playing time though.  He shouldn't even be playing professional hockey IMO but Mueller's not going to have an amazing opportunity on the 4th line (although I think he's got the right body and amount of physicality to be a reasonable 3rd line player).
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The problem is, in the AHL, you really need a couple Rosehill types dressed for most games, because there are a lot of those types around the league. It hasn't been a huge factor is this series, but it will be in future ones, and it's better to have him in game shape and already in there than have to throw him in a game late in response to something that happens.
 
Mueller might get a look if Scott is any worse for wear by tomorrow.

Eakins said somewhere recently that he had to look a couple players in the eye and tell them it wasn't fair so, yeah.
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
Yeah, in the end, the bottom line is the Marlies are winning.  I don't think Rosehill needs playing time though.  He shouldn't even be playing professional hockey IMO but Mueller's not going to have an amazing opportunity on the 4th line (although I think he's got the right body and amount of physicality to be a reasonable 3rd line player).
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The problem is, in the AHL, you really need a couple Rosehill types dressed for most games, because there are a lot of those types around the league. It hasn't been a huge factor is this series, but it will be in future ones, and it's better to have him in game shape and already in there than have to throw him in a game late in response to something that happens.
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I think we're also not really giving Rosehill enough credit here. I mean, I know he's just a plug in the NHL, but prior to his call-up to the Leafs last season I remember Eakins calling him one of the best Marlies.
 
Tigger said:
Mueller might get a look if Scott is any worse for wear by tomorrow.

Eakins said somewhere recently that he had to look a couple players in the eye and tell them it wasn't fair so, yeah.
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Ashton also sat out the 3rd period of game 2 as a precaution, so he might be a little banged up.
 
I do expect the Marlies to have a long run, the injuries will come and we will be glad to have a replacement of Muellers calibre.
 
drummond said:
I do expect the Marlies to have a long run, the injuries will come and we will be glad to have a replacement of Muellers calibre.
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Didn't have to wait too long. Ashton is out with a concussion. Mueller will play in game 3. 
 
If you look at Ottawa or the Flyers (this year), both are playing a large amount of players that they developed in the AHL.  We know Frattin and Gardiner are locks on the Leafs next year. I would think Kadri will also be up. But all we need are one or two surprises that can make the jump and this could make a lot of difference. Certainly D'Amigo looks like the real deal. And what about the Holzer-Fraser combo, they look ready for prime time. And Percy is not that far away either.
We need to clear out the dead wood and give some of the young guys their time in the sun.
We can afford to trade Schenn and some of the others for a quality Centre of some sort
 
What happened to Spencer Abbott?

I see on Hockeydb he played three games with the Marlies, getting one assist. Did he get hurt, is he a healthy scratch for the playoffs, or was he ineligible to dress for the playoffs in the first place?
 
Highlander said:
If you look at Ottawa or the Flyers (this year), both are playing a large amount of players that they developed in the AHL.  We know Frattin and Gardiner are locks on the Leafs next year. I would think Kadri will also be up. But all we need are one or two surprises that can make the jump and this could make a lot of difference. Certainly D'Amigo looks like the real deal. And what about the Holzer-Fraser combo, they look ready for prime time. And Percy is not that far away either.
We need to clear out the dead wood and give some of the young guys their time in the sun.
We can afford to trade Schenn and some of the others for a quality Centre of some sort
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I'm not sure about D'Amigo being the real deal.  He's got 4 goals in 2 games, but he wasn't putting up big numbers all season.
 
sampson said:
I'm not sure about D'Amigo being the real deal.  He's got 4 goals in 2 games, but he wasn't putting up big numbers all season.
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To be fair to him though, nobody on the Marlies really did, their success was predicated on balanced consistent scoring from throughout the lineup.  He was among a bunch of forwards who scored around 40-50 points. 
 
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