Marlies Talk
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bustaheims
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Sarge said:
One way and two way is irrelevant. All that impacts is how much the player gets paid if they're in the AHL. Considering neither of them is going to be earning north of Reimer's $1.8M, having either in the AHL at full salary won't impact the decision for the Leafs in the slightest. If one gets traded, it's because there's a deal there that needs to be made, not because Scrivens had a good AHL run. You don't shop either of them because of something like that. Scrivens play by no means puts Reimer any further out the door than he was when the Leafs season ended.
maplesyrup
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I get all of that but isn't there different waiver rules for one-way vs. two-way players? I'd hate to lose one that way. If I'm wrong (and I may be) the forget about it, yeah let's hang on to them both unless somebody offers us a deal we like.
bustaheims
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Sarge said:
Not that applies to either player, no. It only applies to players who wouldn't normally be waiver eligible but earn above a certain threshold in the AHL.
maplesyrup
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Alrighty then. Cheers.
LuncheonMeat
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Sarge said:
THey showed him walking down the tunnel after he scored and he left under his own power with only a mild limp. Take that for what it's worth, but a more serious injury such as a torn ACL probably ends with him leaving the ice propped up by 1 or 2 other guys.
What a shame!! He was really starting to shine in this playoff run.
maplesyrup
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Well, we'll soon see I suppose. :-\
Some ACL injuries don't cause much pain - just instability. When the damage is at a point that not much more damage can be done (I presume by playing with a brace - I don't know how they make that assessment), some players have come back to play in the playoffs without an ACL (ie Ray Ferraro).
From the report, Frattin is done for the season so I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up. I just wouldn't read too much into how he walked out of the rink with an injured knee.
From the report, Frattin is done for the season so I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up. I just wouldn't read too much into how he walked out of the rink with an injured knee.
bustaheims said:
"Needs" might have been a bit strong. But I've felt for awhile now that it should be Scrivens in the backup role next season, not Reimer. Part of that is because I've pretty much lost all faith in Reimer. I don't think it's crazy to suggest that 10/11 might have been the fluke year, not 11/12. As for Scrivens, he isn't just having a good playoffs, he was one of the best goalies in the AHL in the regular season too winning their equivalent of the Jennings trophy.
With that said, I think if we end up having to rely heavily on either of them next season we're in trouble.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
It's too early to say which of Reimer's seasons was the fluke, as he only has 1 of each, with similar minutes in net for each. I understand that some have lost faith after last season, but, Scrivens wasn't exactly better in his dozen games as a Leaf last season (small sample size, sure, but, nevertheless). And, it's also only AHL success for Scrivens. History is littered with goalies who have looked really good at the minor league level but couldn't hack it at the NHL level. The only goalie Scrivens' play really impacts is Gustavsson - it's pretty much the final nail in the coffin for his career as a Leaf.
maplesyrup
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Didn't Gustavsson finish like second or something in our man of the match voting? I think that's hilarious - or sad. Can it be both?
bustaheims
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Sarge said:
Well, let's be honest, when the rest of the team doesn't do anything noteworthy, as long as he doesn't suck out loud, the goalie often becomes the default man of the match because he stands out the most.
maplesyrup
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Bullfrog said:
I think you're highlight the sad part... or is it the hilarious?... I'm still confused.
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
I'm not denying that, though, the majority of those games were confined to the month of January. I'm just saying using the whole "man of the match" thing as some kind of tent-pole is . . . well, you know.
crazyperfectdevil
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Okay ..so our odds of winning this thing seem a bit long but to distract myself from the impending doom that is Frattin being out for the final I decided to look at how the NHL affiliates fair the season after their AHL team wins the Calder cup. I'm not saying that the two are linked but since the lockout* it has gone down like this:
Calder Cup winners|How the NHL teams did the following season:
2003?04 Milwaukee Admirals 2005-06 Nashville Predators (Finished 4th in the west)
2004?05 Philadelphia Phantoms 2005-06 Philadelphia Flyers (Finished 5th in the east)
2005?06 Hershey Bears 2006-07 Washington Capitals (Finished 14th in the east)
2006?07 Hamilton Bulldogs 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens (Finished 1st in the east)
2007?08 Chicago Wolves 2008-09 Vancouver Canucks (Finished 3rd in the west)
2008?09 Hershey Bears 2009-10 Washington Capitals (Finished 1st in the east)
2009-10 Hershey Bears 2010-11 Washington Capitals (Finished 1st in the east)
2010-11 Binghamton Senators 2011-12 Ottawa Senators (Finished 8th in the east)
* this seems like a good delineation as any ..especially since i've always been of the mindset that prior to the lockout the farm teams, while important, weren't as important but i have no evidence to backup that claim so ..yeah
I apologize if any of the affiliates are wrong, it's not always easy to tell which AHL team was affiliated to whom in any given year. But as you can see there it appears as if only one team since the lockout has had their affiliate win the Calder and yet fail to qualify for the post season in the subsequent year. I'm sure other factors play into it. I just found it interesting that this year so many experts decided that Ottawa would be going nowhere and yet there they were one game from going to the second round.
On the other hand in none of these NHL teams won the Stanley Cup in the next season. However, I think for us leaf fans, getting back to the playoffs would be success in itself.
Calder Cup winners|How the NHL teams did the following season:
2003?04 Milwaukee Admirals 2005-06 Nashville Predators (Finished 4th in the west)
2004?05 Philadelphia Phantoms 2005-06 Philadelphia Flyers (Finished 5th in the east)
2005?06 Hershey Bears 2006-07 Washington Capitals (Finished 14th in the east)
2006?07 Hamilton Bulldogs 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens (Finished 1st in the east)
2007?08 Chicago Wolves 2008-09 Vancouver Canucks (Finished 3rd in the west)
2008?09 Hershey Bears 2009-10 Washington Capitals (Finished 1st in the east)
2009-10 Hershey Bears 2010-11 Washington Capitals (Finished 1st in the east)
2010-11 Binghamton Senators 2011-12 Ottawa Senators (Finished 8th in the east)
* this seems like a good delineation as any ..especially since i've always been of the mindset that prior to the lockout the farm teams, while important, weren't as important but i have no evidence to backup that claim so ..yeah
I apologize if any of the affiliates are wrong, it's not always easy to tell which AHL team was affiliated to whom in any given year. But as you can see there it appears as if only one team since the lockout has had their affiliate win the Calder and yet fail to qualify for the post season in the subsequent year. I'm sure other factors play into it. I just found it interesting that this year so many experts decided that Ottawa would be going nowhere and yet there they were one game from going to the second round.
On the other hand in none of these NHL teams won the Stanley Cup in the next season. However, I think for us leaf fans, getting back to the playoffs would be success in itself.
bustaheims
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lamajama said:
Well, considering the fact that the only point in the season that his GAA was below 2 was before he allowed a goal in his very first appearance of the season, I'm going to say no. He had one stretch of 5 games where his GAA was below 2 for those games, but that was the first half of January.