Marlies Talk

[bustaheims]

What is the waivers situation next season?  If the leafs hire a veteren goalie and then must send one of Reimer/Scrivens down, do they both risk waiver exposure on the way down?

Well, even though it's hardly ideal, the Leafs could carry 3 goalies until they find an acceptable way to manage the situation, but, as far as I can tell, both Reimer and Scrivens would have to clear waivers. However, if we're really being honest, the odds of them being claimed is slim. Similar guys get placed on waivers at the end of camp every season, and they almost always clear.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Some ACL injuries don't cause much pain - just instability. When the damage is at a point that not much more damage can be done (I presume by playing with a brace - I don't know how they make that assessment), some players have come back to play in the playoffs without an ACL  (ie Ray Ferraro).

From the report, Frattin is done for the season so I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up. I just wouldn't read too much into how he walked out of the rink with an injured knee.

In my experience that's the exception to the rule.  Usually with a complete tear/rupture of the ACL there's such an overwhelming feeling of instability that most wouldn't attempt to walk on it... save for the first few steps.

That's crazy about RF... I had no idea.  I wonder if he decided to forego surgery (and being sliced from stem to stern) in favor of a brace?  Do you have any idea cw?

 

[princedpw]

What is the waivers situation next season?  If the leafs hire a veteren goalie and then must send one of Reimer/Scrivens down, do they both risk waiver exposure on the way down?

Well, even though it's hardly ideal, the Leafs could carry 3 goalies until they find an acceptable way to manage the situation, but, as far as I can tell, both Reimer and Scrivens would have to clear waivers. However, if we're really being honest, the odds of them being claimed is slim. Similar guys get placed on waivers at the end of camp every season, and they almost always clear.

It clearly depends on what other teams are doing with their lineups but I think Scrivens would look fairly tasty to a team with an established #1 goalie -- #1 AHL goaltender with a small cap hit?  I'm just guessing but there's got to be someone whose current backup has less potential -- Chicago, Tampa, Calgary, Edmonton?

 

[bustaheims]

It clearly depends on what other teams are doing with their lineups but I think Scrivens would look fairly tasty to a team with an established #1 goalie -- #1 AHL goaltender with a small cap hit?  I'm just guessing but there's got to be someone whose current backup has less potential -- Chicago, Tampa, Calgary, Edmonton?

Right now, sure, but by the end of training camp in October, that will have certainly changed. Most, if not all, of those teams will have or be looking for a veteran backup and teams can't claim a guy off of waivers and send him down to the AHL without putting him right back on waivers, so they won't be looking at either of them for their AHL teams. By the time waivers begins to become an issue for the players, it pretty much has become a non-issue in terms of worrying about a team putting in a claim.

 

[caver]

When Gus went down that one time wasn't his GAA well under 2?

Well, considering the fact that the only point in the season that his GAA was below 2 was before he allowed a goal in his very first appearance of the season, I'm going to say no. He had one stretch of 5 games where his GAA was below 2 for those games, but that was the first half of January.

What most teams want from a goalie is consistency. Gus played very well for a few stretches but could not keep it together on a regular basis.

 

[hockeyfan1]

For some sense of positivity, let's start the cheering...

 

[cw]

Some ACL injuries don't cause much pain - just instability. When the damage is at a point that not much more damage can be done (I presume by playing with a brace - I don't know how they make that assessment), some players have come back to play in the playoffs without an ACL  (ie Ray Ferraro).

From the report, Frattin is done for the season so I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up. I just wouldn't read too much into how he walked out of the rink with an injured knee.

In my experience that's the exception to the rule.  Usually with a complete tear/rupture of the ACL there's such an overwhelming feeling of instability that most wouldn't attempt to walk on it... save for the first few steps.

That's crazy about RF... I had no idea.  I wonder if he decided to forego surgery (and being sliced from stem to stern) in favor of a brace?  Do you have any idea cw?

I tried to look up the story and didn't find much detail on it.
http://a.espncdn.com/nhl/playoffs2002/columns/buccigross_john/1381806.html

Ferraro hobbled out of the visitors' dressing room at Joe Louis Arena with one healthy anterior cruciate ligament and one disintegrated by Kris Draper's Darcy-Tucker-like low hit in Game 2. But this is the Stanley Cup playoffs, and one ACL or not, you stick on a brace, grit your teeth and get out there. It's also what you do when you have two sons -- Matthew and Landon -- who play hockey. There is nothing cooler than having your dad play in the NHL. And when you're that dad, there is no greater motivation than having sons old enough to remember you playing.

That explains why Ray and others play with one ACL.

What surprised me at the time was that he wasn't the only one who has done it. In part as I recall the explanation back then, it was because sometimes, the pain isn't that bad and the brace helps with the stability.

I think Kerry Fraser was another notable one because of name recognition who reffed without an ACL. I can't recall  the names of others who have done it - just that Ray wasn't the only one.

 

[LeafsInSeven]

The Frattin knee injury is very sad news just from a Leafs' fan's perspective. There are many who have played in the NHL after tearing up their knees but it's tough to reach the same physical level pre-injury after the long road of recovery. Fortunately Frattin could easily skate at an NHL level before the injury and so hopefully taking a little away won't affect him too greatly.

From the Marlies' perspective, losing Frattin is a huge blow. The team's forward group is getting thin due to injuries. They were giving Spencer Abbott significant ice time and he seems to be a marginal AHL forward at this stage in his career having real trouble with the speed of the pro game. The team is really going to need some of the injured players to come back to have a fighting chance in the finals. But they still have Scrivens and a very steady group of defensemen who are apparently healthy. The return of Lashoff was a huge boost. Fraser has been a real standout for me. I wonder if they have any plans for him or if he's just considered AHL filler.

 

[sampson]

Nice to see McKegg is coming in though. He could be a decent Frattin replacement.

 

[Erndog]

Nice to see McKegg is coming in though. He could be a decent Frattin replacement.

If you ask nutman, McKegg is our #1 center in waiting.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I like McKegg and all, but it would be shocking if he was even a decent replacement for Frattin.  Frattin was leading or near leading the AHL playoffs in scoring, is older and has NHL experience.

 

[sampson]

I like McKegg and all, but it would be shocking if he was even a decent replacement for Frattin.  Frattin was leading or near leading the AHL playoffs in scoring, is older and has NHL experience.

Totally agree. I just think it's nice to have some offence injected back in. Hopefully he can contribute.

 

[Zee]

It's too bad about Frattin.  He was playing so well and had the opportunity to play for the Calder Cup.  Hope he's fine after the surgery.  Tough way to end the season.

 

[cw]

somebody write something positive damnit

It may have already been mentioned in the thread:

The AHL has vet rules limiting how many vets can play an AHL game. But I'd characterize this roster being carried by prospects maybe more than average: Scrivens, Gardiner, Kadri, D'Amigo, Frattin, Mikus, Gysbers, arguably Lashoff, Deschamps, Mueller, etc.

Regardless of what happens the rest of the way with the injury situation or whatever, it is a positive result and good for their development to have got as far as they have.

 

[LeafsInSeven]

I'm not sure center is the place for McKegg at the height of the AHL playoffs although the team is dying for a center. Taking Frattin's spot on the wing and playing a conservative defensive game would definitely help the team. Surely one or two of the injured forwards could be coming back for this series.

 

[Corn Flake]

McKegg can play wherever they need him but he played a very very good two-way game at centre for the Knights in the Mem Cup from what I saw and was excellent in the faceoff circle and covering in his own zone down low.  He should transition well to Eakins' strategies.

He won't replace Frattin's or Kadri's offense but he's probably going to play on some serious adrenaline and his speed will come in very handy in this series.

They really really need Kadri back.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Sounds like Mueller and Ashton are ready to return. Both took part in full practice today.

 

[nutman]

Nice to see McKegg is coming in though. He could be a decent Frattin replacement.

If you ask nutman, McKegg is our #1 center in waiting.

So I said he looks like he could be a good up and comming player, and you twist it into I'm saying he will be a #1 C.  does it bother you that much that I am so positive?, or maybe its the fact that you are so neg and you envy me so you pick at me.  I feel so bad for people like you walking through life so disapointed.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Some ACL injuries don't cause much pain - just instability. When the damage is at a point that not much more damage can be done (I presume by playing with a brace - I don't know how they make that assessment), some players have come back to play in the playoffs without an ACL  (ie Ray Ferraro).

From the report, Frattin is done for the season so I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up. I just wouldn't read too much into how he walked out of the rink with an injured knee.

In my experience that's the exception to the rule.  Usually with a complete tear/rupture of the ACL there's such an overwhelming feeling of instability that most wouldn't attempt to walk on it... save for the first few steps.

That's crazy about RF... I had no idea.  I wonder if he decided to forego surgery (and being sliced from stem to stern) in favor of a brace?  Do you have any idea cw?

I tried to look up the story and didn't find much detail on it.
http://a.espncdn.com/nhl/playoffs2002/columns/buccigross_john/1381806.html

Ferraro hobbled out of the visitors' dressing room at Joe Louis Arena with one healthy anterior cruciate ligament and one disintegrated by Kris Draper's Darcy-Tucker-like low hit in Game 2. But this is the Stanley Cup playoffs, and one ACL or not, you stick on a brace, grit your teeth and get out there. It's also what you do when you have two sons -- Matthew and Landon -- who play hockey. There is nothing cooler than having your dad play in the NHL. And when you're that dad, there is no greater motivation than having sons old enough to remember you playing.

That explains why Ray and others play with one ACL.

What surprised me at the time was that he wasn't the only one who has done it. In part as I recall the explanation back then, it was because sometimes, the pain isn't that bad and the brace helps with the stability.

I think Kerry Fraser was another notable one because of name recognition who reffed without an ACL. I can't recall  the names of others who have done it - just that Ray wasn't the only one.

Crazy!  THanks for the link.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/05/30/marlies-gear-up-for-cup-final

underdog does almost seem like an understatement.  Which seems hard to believe for a team that's only lost two games in the playoffs so far. 

?Every time I talk to a coach that played against them or to one of our pro scouts, I wish I didn?t make the phone call,? Eakins said. ?I came away thinking ?holy man, what are we going to do??. They have four lines, sometimes they only dress 11 forwards, they can all score and all hurt you.

EDIT:  http://www.rawcharge.com/2012/5/30/3053378/the-ahl-calder-cup-final-broadcast-schedule

According to that Games 1,2,3,6,7  will be on leafs tv, while games 4,5 would be on sportsnet 1