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Men's Olympic hockey

Bates said:
It was silly to take a medication that is banned.  It is also silly that we are telling a professional athlete what to take.  It is not banned by the league that he plays in.  These are not your normal Olympic athletes.

That's really not all that relevant. The IOC's standards are well known and have been in place for a long time. It's not like they just introduced pseudoephedrine to their banned substance list. His doctor and Team Sweden's doctor should have been on top of this. Regardless of whether or not these are "normal Olympic athletes," whatever that's supposed to mean, the standards are the same for all Olympians. It's the IOC's event. Either you abide by their standards or you don't participate. It's really that cut and dry.
 
I don't think it matters that it's not banned by the NHL, or that it would be impossible to negotiate an exemption to the IOC/WADA rules in this case (but it would be very difficult and unlikely in my opinion especially in light of the fact that it has been abused by NHL players in the past).

The facts are that there was no exemption in place and Backstrom was over the limit.  That's all there is to it this time around.  In my opinion the Swedish team doctors should have known better than to let Backstrom take it during the games.
 
Bates said:
I predict the next Olympics will have the rules slightly altered if NHL'ers are there.

I can almost guarantee that you'll be wrong. The pseudoephedrine thing has been raised as an issue since the NHL agreed to participate. This incident isn't going to lead to the IOC changing their rules. NHLers will have to abide by the IOC's rules, or they'll sit on the side lines. They won't get special treatment.
 
From TSN


While playing for Slovakia at the 2010 Olympics, defenceman Lubomir Visnovsky tested positive for the same banned substance -- pseudoephedrine -- and was only reprimanded by the IOC because it said he declared on his doping control form that he was taking the medication.

Backstrom, likewise, said he hasn't hid the fact that he takes the substance that is banned by the IOC during competition and was told by his Olympic team doctor he could take one pill a day without possible penalty.




bustaheims said:
Bates said:
I predict the next Olympics will have the rules slightly altered if NHL'ers are there.

I can almost guarantee that you'll be wrong. The pseudoephedrine thing has been raised as an issue since the NHL agreed to participate. This incident isn't going to lead to the IOC changing their rules. NHLers will have to abide by the IOC's rules, or they'll sit on the side lines. They won't get special treatment.
 
Bates said:
From TSN


While playing for Slovakia at the 2010 Olympics, defenceman Lubomir Visnovsky tested positive for the same banned substance -- pseudoephedrine -- and was only reprimanded by the IOC because it said he declared on his doping control form that he was taking the medication.

Backstrom, likewise, said he hasn't hid the fact that he takes the substance that is banned by the IOC during competition and was told by his Olympic team doctor he could take one pill a day without possible penalty.

Then his doctor screwed up. It's hard to compare to the Visnovsky situation since we don't know what dosage the two were taking or how frequently they were taking it. It's quite possible that Visnovsky was taking a lower dosage with less frequency, and that's why he only got a reprimand. Without knowing all the details, the comparison is really pretty hollow.
 
It was meant to show that the IOC is not so against stretching the rules.  The Olympics need NHL players a lot more that the other way around.  And the NHLPA will be having a say about one of their players being treated this way.  That I have no doubt about.  This is an allergy medicine that a Doctor put him on to treat him for allergies.
 
bustaheims said:
Then his doctor screwed up. It's hard to compare to the Visnovsky situation since we don't know what dosage the two were taking or how frequently they were taking it. It's quite possible that Visnovsky was taking a lower dosage with less frequency, and that's why he only got a reprimand. Without knowing all the details, the comparison is really pretty hollow.

According to this Visnovsky's dosage was higher:

Tsetse fly ‏@Tsetse_fly  11h
@JapersRink @Rabiesmalin Visnovsky had 204.6 mg per mil(B?ckstr?m had 190 mg per mil) and he "only" got a reprimand. http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Disciplinary_commission/DecisionDisciplinaryCommission-eng-260210.pdf ?

Visnovsky was also able to retest if I remember correctly and in the 2nd test his levels went down. Backstorm didn't have time to undergo a 2nd test, which I think is the biggest issue here really.
 
Bates said:
It was meant to show that the IOC is not so against stretching the rules.  The Olympics need NHL players a lot more that the other way around.  And the NHLPA will be having a say about one of their players being treated this way.  That I have no doubt about.  This is an allergy medicine that a Doctor put him on to treat him for allergies.

I'm pretty sure that the situation with Visnovski is similar across all sports. It wasn't about the IOC stretching the rules to accommodate anyone. As the link CtB provided shows, Visnovsky's 2nd and 3rd tests showed significantly lower levels of the substance in his blood stream (well below the WADA acceptable limit). That's why he was only given a reprimand.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Visnovsky was also able to retest if I remember correctly and in the 2nd test his levels went down. Backstorm didn't have time to undergo a 2nd test, which I think is the biggest issue here really.

I find that kind of hard to believe. Backstrom's failed test was taken after Sweden's QF game. There would have been plenty time for him to be tested again if the IOC/WADA felt it was appropriate/necessary. There was actually less time between Visnovsky's failed test and his 2nd test than there was between Backstrom's failed test and his suspension being announced.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Visnovsky was also able to retest if I remember correctly and in the 2nd test his levels went down. Backstorm didn't have time to undergo a 2nd test, which I think is the biggest issue here really.

I find that kind of hard to believe. Backstrom's failed test was taken after Sweden's QF game. There would have been plenty time for him to be tested again if the IOC/WADA felt it was appropriate/necessary. There was actually less time between Visnovsky's failed test and his 2nd test than there was between Backstrom's failed test and his suspension being announced.

I don't think their "we were busy with lots of testing" is a valid excuse but they apparently only got the results 2.5 hours ahead of the game.

That raises another concern besides letting Backstrom play the game, it also means that if anyone failed a test 1-2 days before they could be allowed to play and then I'm not sure how they'd sort the mess out afterwards (probably bury the result, but I'm cynical that way).  If they are going to do testing before/after a game that affects subsequent games I think they need to have those results available for the following game.
 
pnjunction said:
I don't think their "we were busy with lots of testing" is a valid excuse but they apparently only got the results 2.5 hours ahead of the game.

Well, if that's true, that means the level of pseudo in Backstrom's blood stream was likely still above the acceptable limit (if he was, in fact, taking it on a daily basis), which means he likely would have failed his second test any way. From the report on Visnovsky, it looks like he legitimately stopped using the medication that caused him to be over the limit - for him, the issue was from a temporary measure he was using to deal with an illness. Backstrom, on the other hand, failed because of an on-going usage issue.
 
bustaheims said:
I find that kind of hard to believe. Backstrom's failed test was taken after Sweden's QF game. There would have been plenty time for him to be tested again if the IOC/WADA felt it was appropriate/necessary. There was actually less time between Visnovsky's failed test and his 2nd test than there was between Backstrom's failed test and his suspension being announced.

I agree, there should have been enough time to to allow Backstorm to take another test. But why did the results of test take so long to come out? Visnovsky had his first test taken on Feb. 24th. On the 26th the results were announced that he tested positive. He was then allowed to play in a semi-final game that same day and the IOC took new samples before and after the game and both of those samples came up negative. That information is all from their press release.

It took Backstorm 5 days for his results to be made known, during which he played in Sweden's semi-final. It took less time for Visnovsky to get the results back from testing on two separate days.
 
Just like Torts, eh?!...


http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=sports.nationalpost.com/2014/02/25/canucks-tortorella-forced-to-apologize-for-cheering-for-sweden-over-canada-in-olympic-final
 
TML fan said:
What a stupid thing to have to apologize for. He can cheer for whoever the hell he wants. Sensitive much?

Seriously...  "I'm sorry for having the freedom to make my own choices and decisions"... nonsense...
 
TML fan said:
What a stupid thing to have to apologize for. He can cheer for whoever the hell he wants. Sensitive much?

Yeah I didn't get that either, Tortorella isn't even Canadian, if he were cheering for the U.S. would he need to apologize as well?  Nobody called out Jake Gardiner for tweeting his support of the U.S.
 
Such pu#%$^@&ies! He can cheer for anyone and anyone! When did we become such drama queens and super sensitive!

I am 100% Canadian. I love my country. But there was a part of me that wanted the US to beat Canada. Partly because I wanted Kessel and JVR to win! I also wanted to see the complete meltdown the media would have had. I wanted to see Cherry flip out LOL! That's just me.
 
mc said:
Such pu#%$^@&ies! He can cheer for anyone and anyone! When did we become such drama queens and super sensitive!

I am 100% Canadian. I love my country. But there was a part of me that wanted the US to beat Canada. Partly because I wanted Kessel and JVR to win! I also wanted to see the complete meltdown the media would have had. I wanted to see Cherry flip out LOL! That's just me.

Traitor.
 
Bit of insight on Russia's struggles through the lens of Malkin:

Uncustomary poor offensive production ? he is a two-time NHL scoring champion and had scored five goals and 12 points in 11 previous Olympic games ? did not sour Malkin in Sochi. Rather, his frustrations stemmed from factors that evoked memories of his near decade-long distrust of Russian hockey authority:

? Malkin, second among NHL players at 1.23 points per game, did not play regularly on the top power-play unit.

? Malkin believed coaches catered to players who were members of his country's Kontinental Hockey League. He sensed a point was being made at the expense of star Russians ? specifically, he and Washington's Alex Ovechkin ? who have chosen to remain in the NHL.

? Malkin felt the system was geared toward protecting the defense, which consisted mostly of KHL players, instead of playing to what he perceived the squad's strength: skilled forwards.

? Malkin sensed coaches were dismissive of players' feedback. He and Ovechkin, a winger on his line, repeatedly pushed to be split because of their limited experience playing together and their respective preferences to carry the puck. Malkin and Ovechkin felt playing on the same lines made the team an easier matchup for opponents.

Until a few weeks before the Olympics, Malkin thought he was set to play on a line with Toronto's Nikolai Kulemin, a fellow native of Magnitogorsk, Russia. They had played together for their hometown KHL club during the NHL lockout in 2012, with Malkin producing 65 points in 37 games.
(Kulemin produced 38 points in 36 games with Metallurg Magnitogorsk during the lockout. He did not score at the Olympics.)

In late December, Malkin learned he would play on a line with Ovechkin. Neither player favored that decision by Russian coaches, though not because of their on-again/off-again rivalry.

Ovechkin and Malkin, who have combined for three scoring titles and four MVPs since they were the first Russians to go 1-2 in the NHL Entry Draft (2004), privately feared their styles would not mesh fast enough in a short tournament such as the Olympics.

Malkin and Ovechkin also confided to associates' fears that Russia's NHL and KHL Olympians would not always be on the same page. Both players had hoped defenseman Sergei Gonchar, a respected veteran of four previous Olympics with NHL players, would make the squad to help captain Pavel Datsyuk bring players from hockey's two most prominent leagues together.

Gonchar, now playing for Dallas, was not chosen by the Russian Federation ? a decision that equally frustrated and confounded Ovechkin and Malkin.

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/5660812-74/malkin-olympics-nhl#axzz2uOYiAbAp
 

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