Mitch Marner: what now?
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herman
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I still see a pre-Opening Night signing at whatever is the biggest pie left on the table because
a) he wants to play here
b) his best chance at living up to those numbers is playing alongside Tavares or Matthews
c) no one else is going to bother dealing with him
d) the Leafs ability to sign him diminishes as the season starts, so really the max available to him is 10.55M
If it passes that day, you'll know it was never about the money
a) he wants to play here
b) his best chance at living up to those numbers is playing alongside Tavares or Matthews
c) no one else is going to bother dealing with him
d) the Leafs ability to sign him diminishes as the season starts, so really the max available to him is 10.55M
If it passes that day, you'll know it was never about the money
herman
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herman said:
I still don't see it. Jones is a beast. And being that mythical #1 RHD should make him virtually untouchable. If they felt they had to move someone it'd be Werenski.
And what has been leaked. If Mitch/Agent think he's worth more than $11m per on a 7yr deal so be it. But I think every rational person wouldn't make Mitch Marner the highest paid winger in the league (behind Panarin who was UFA) Who wouldn't rather have Kucherov at 9.5?Bullfrog said:
herman said:
It's funny how they've gone from being loaded on defence (especially at RD) and having nothing at centre to sorta the opposite. After the Subban trade their 2nd pairing RHD could be... Steve Santini? Maybe Fabbro but he's still just a rookie. Meanwhile at C they've collected Johansen, Duchene, Turris, and Bonino.
disco
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If they end up doing 3 years at a high number, that's just another massive headache in three years: giant third year qualifying offer, arbitration 4th and then pure UFA. In 3, 5, 7 years I really don't see the Marner camp line changing (we're the same as Auston) and it always being a headache. They might draw their line and risk losing Marner for a year, but Dubas is on record saying he cares about asset management and maximizing the window. He'll overpay just to get that done.
herman
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I'm probably going to get this wrong somewhere in the details (Deebo, help!)
Similar to what Nylander went through last year, signing after the season starts for an RFA means the annual value of the cap hit for the first year is pro-rated up to match the annual value for the remaining years, e.g. 6.9 AAV is prorated to 10+M annually for the 2 months missed; total actual cap hit from the daily aggregate totaled for that first season was still 6.9M.
This year, it is different because of LTIR. The Leafs will be using LTIR, and thus there is no cap space, and therefore, their cap calculations aren't considered done with daily cap hit aggregation; they're only looking at the annual values (i.e. the easy way).
If Marner wants a 10.5M AAV for the duration of his next contract but tries to take the Leafs into Dec 1 the way Nylander did, then the 10.5 has to be pro-rated to 13M (or whatever, I'm not doing the math). Then when you look at the annual cap for the Leafs, even with the 10.55M LTIR space, they're not going to be able to fit it unless they shed like 3M in cap off the roster. If Marner wants to push to December, the amount the Leafs can sign him for goes down to about 7M, which is counter productive in every possible way. Basically every day beyond Oct 2 the Marner camp pushes this, the Leafs can only sign him for less and less.
disco said:
I don't mind pushing this problem away for 3 years. If the Leafs don't win the Cup in that time, or if they don't even make it to the Finals in that time, then that'll probably mean drastic changes will need to be made anyway. And potentially trading Marner at that point could be what we need to do.
And if they do win the Cup in that time period then quite frankly I won't even care what happens after.
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