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Mitch Marner

I'm curious if LK has anything to say about the idea that Marner struggled with zone entries as a London Knight. I find it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't have been absolutely dominant in that area of the game in the OHL.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm curious if LK has anything to say about the idea that Marner struggled with zone entries as a London Knight. I find it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't have been absolutely dominant in that area of the game in the OHL.
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https://twitter.com/HockeywthHannah/status/1064562612665532416

Just based off that CityTV spotlight on baby Marner, he was a zone entry machine from 3 years old.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm curious if LK has anything to say about the idea that Marner struggled with zone entries as a London Knight. I find it pretty hard to believe that he wouldn't have been absolutely dominant in that area of the game in the OHL.
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The eye test can always be deceiving but zone entries wouldn't have been very high on my list of concerns for Marner during his time in London.  Much like Kadri he routinely would carry the puck up the ice.  The only legitimate concerns you could have around Marner would be center vs. winger and whether his size would cause him to get beaten up too much at the NHL level.

Marner was phenomenal at being elusive in the OHL.  Able to avoid heavy contact even against the boards while maintaining puck control and he was perfectly find bringing the puck up the ice.  I think Simmons is hocking more nonsense or the Coyotes have some analytics that are just bad evaluations.
 
Right. So at worst Steve Simmons is just completely making things up. At best he's passing along information from probably questionable sources and not doing a single second of research to see if the information is credible.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Right. So at worst Steve Simmons is just completely making things up. At best he's passing along information from probably questionable sources and not doing a single second of research to see if the information is credible.
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Marner's agent + dad getting down to work this week.
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1064593690704965641
https://twitter.com/FAN590/status/1064542678942142464
 
Heh, I guess if Dylan Strome had been amazing in Arizona that would have been one thing, but although they got the wrong brother, the point is valid about the draft order. Not that sportsnet has too many talking heads of any talent except Friedman. Although I like listening to Burkie when he's on. 

Marner tied for 3rd in the league for points with McDavid.

If I'm guessing, I'll say he'll sign for 8x9.5M. People will tell me I'm nuts, but i think he's as important to the team as Matthews.
 
I'm all for dragging the Coyotes for going with Strome over Marner but it's hard to ignore that in terms of organization and players around them that Marner has been put in one of the best possible situations and Strome one of the worst.
 
I would say that Marner is the most enjoyable to watch Leaf we've had since maybe Mogilny in terms of vision and creativeness. As much as I love Matthews, Tavares and Nylander etc, I think Marner is taking over as my "favourite"
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/FAN590/status/1064660089099952128
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The media often likes to set things up as if one person "wins" and another "loses".  For example: Dubas vs Babcock on Komarov or Babcock vs Hunter above.  I imagine that most decisions in happen as described above -- people may have slightly different opinions but they collaborate to find a good answer to various questions.
 
Bender said:
Why did we ever get rid of Vincent Damphousse?
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Seems like a very underrated candidate for worst trades in franchise history. At the same time maybe, and I stress the maybe here, the team doesn't go after Sundin a few years later if they had him as the 1C already.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Seems like a very underrated candidate for worst trades in franchise history.
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I don't know about that. That trade brought Fuhr to the Leafs, which ultimately became Andreychuk and Jonsson (who is a candidate for one of the worst trades in franchise history). Without this trade, the great runs of 93 and 94 don't play out the same way.
 
bustaheims said:
I don't know about that. That trade brought Fuhr to the Leafs, which ultimately became Andreychuk and Jonsson (who is a candidate for one of the worst trades in franchise history). Without this trade, the great runs of 93 and 94 don't play out the same way.
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I mean the trade itself was a 22-year old PPG centre for two older, declining players who didn't really do anything as Leafs. And during a time when the Leafs needed youth a heck of a lot more than veterans. I'm not really that big into expanding trade trees to judge a single transaction, especially since it's not like 93 and 94 actually got us the Cup. And who knows what the team could have done with Sundin (assuming he was still acquired), Gilmour, and Damphousse for a few years.

 
CarltonTheBear said:
I mean the trade itself was a 22-year old PPG centre for two older, declining players who didn't really do anything as Leafs. And during a time when the Leafs needed youth a heck of a lot more than veterans. I'm not really that big into expanding trade trees to judge a single transaction, especially since it's not like 93 and 94 actually got us the Cup. And who knows what the team could have done with Sundin (assuming he was still acquired), Gilmour, and Damphousse for a few years.
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Sure, in isolation, it's not a great trade. It's still a long way from the worst in franchise history conversation, though, and it directly lead to a significant piece of the best Leafs team the city had seen since the late 70s.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I mean the trade itself was a 22-year old PPG centre for two older, declining players who didn't really do anything as Leafs. And during a time when the Leafs needed youth a heck of a lot more than veterans. I'm not really that big into expanding trade trees to judge a single transaction, especially since it's not like 93 and 94 actually got us the Cup. And who knows what the team could have done with Sundin (assuming he was still acquired), Gilmour, and Damphousse for a few years.
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Sure, in isolation, it's not a great trade. It's still a long way from the worst in franchise history conversation, though, and it directly lead to a significant piece of the best Leafs team the city had seen since the late 70s.
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But couldn't a 22yo PPG player also be a significant piece in those runs? Either way I just don't understand why we basically gave away a Nylander equivalent for old declining players. I think Damphousse seems like an underrated player.
 
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