Morgan Rielly

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Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050

Very apparent why Leafs were so high on Morgan Rielly. The best player by far during an intra-squad prospect game.

I was just about to post that same thing. Nice to see.

Thats really interesting. You would think that maybe someone else would have the edge, but I guess the kid just oozes talent.

Can you imagine if Rielly somehow makes the Leafs next season, and plays a better all around game with better numbers than Schultz? That would certainly be something. Alright I'll go back to my daydream....

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050

Very apparent why Leafs were so high on Morgan Rielly. The best player by far during an intra-squad prospect game.

A Justin Schultz consolation prize, or the better D-man?

The guy I follow on Twitter who does a lot of scouting reports (Corey Pronman) answered some tweets about how Schultz would rank in this years class, and I believe he thought he would be 3rd or 4th among D.  Going from memory so could be wrong, but I believe him and Rielly were rated closely by him.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050

Very apparent why Leafs were so high on Morgan Rielly. The best player by far during an intra-squad prospect game.

FREAKING LEAFS HOMERS!

 

[Rebel_1812]

I think there's common ground there. Nobody should have let this pick entirely form their opinion on anyone's idiocy/blowhardiness.

Now, as a tipping point...

I know you're just being facetious, but, even as a tipping point, it's a poor choice. We won't really know whether or not Rielly was the right pick for a good 5-10 years, and, even then, there's a good chance things may not be entirely clear.

I don't know about that.  Barry Trapp was let go as a scout at the Tlusty draft and said he would have taken Chris Stewart at the time.  Seems he was right as Chris Stewart is alot better then Tlusty and is a player they could have picked. 

The same Tlusty that scored more goals and points than Stewart this season? I'm not saying he's a better player but 6 years later both players have had their ups and downs, and still don't know for sure.

Steward was a healthy scratch at times during the playoffs this year.  He also had to take a contract for next year that is worth less than what a qualifying offer would have been. 

I think as fans we see the warts on the players on our own team, e.g. Luke Schenn, but we do not see them as much on other teams, particularly if they play in the western conference.

Stewart was traded for a number 1 defenseman.  Tlusty was traded for a busted prospect.  Tlusty had one decent season points wise.  Stewart plays a more complete game so even when he isn't scoring he is contributing.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Stewart was traded for a number 1 defenseman.  Tlusty was traded for a busted prospect.

And Tuukka Rask was traded for Andrew Raycroft.

Tlusty had one decent season points wise. 

Stewart has had 2. Now I'll admit both were better than Tlusty's, but he really didn't break out until the second half of the season. It wouldn't exactly be the first time it took a player a few years to make it in the NHL, particularly when it can be argued he was rushed as a prospect.

Stewart plays a more complete game so even when he isn't scoring he is contributing.

As evident by the multiple times the Blues scratched him or had him playing 4th line minutes (including in the playoffs) because he wasn't scoring? He doesn't kill penalties. He doesn't block shots. Even his hit totals aren't all that impressive for a guy his size.

 

[maplesyrup]

Whay do we know about Morgan Rielly? How 'bout he's minus one tooth today;

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Haha, welcome to camp, kid.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Morgan Rielly (1994) - 6'0, 194 lbs - Moose Jaw Warriors

As advertised. Competes with Tony Cameranesi for best skater award at camp. A multi-directional skater who gives the impression of his skates barely touching the ice surface. His pivots are smooth and effortless and Rielly has great lateral mobility. Rielly showed great hockey sense and vision in where he places himself, how he navigates through bodies, and how he chooses to attack the offensive zone. As Jim Hughes stated, his passes are hard and quick and in my opinion - at the pro-level. Rielly also sought out and found open lanes before shooting...enough about offence...what surprised me most was how well he played defence. His anticipation of plays created turnovers and he advanced the puck forward. In his own zone, Rielly showed patience as his slick turns kept defenders at bay. Rielly's speed allows him to regain position in his own zone to handle one-on-one plays. After Stuart Percy, Rielly may have played the best defence today.

http://draft-schmaft.blogspot.ca/2012/07/notes-from-leafs-prospect-development.html

 

[Bender]

Morgan Rielly (1994) - 6'0, 194 lbs - Moose Jaw Warriors

As advertised. Competes with Tony Cameranesi for best skater award at camp. A multi-directional skater who gives the impression of his skates barely touching the ice surface. His pivots are smooth and effortless and Rielly has great lateral mobility. Rielly showed great hockey sense and vision in where he places himself, how he navigates through bodies, and how he chooses to attack the offensive zone. As Jim Hughes stated, his passes are hard and quick and in my opinion - at the pro-level. Rielly also sought out and found open lanes before shooting...enough about offence...what surprised me most was how well he played defence. His anticipation of plays created turnovers and he advanced the puck forward. In his own zone, Rielly showed patience as his slick turns kept defenders at bay. Rielly's speed allows him to regain position in his own zone to handle one-on-one plays. After Stuart Percy, Rielly may have played the best defence today.

http://draft-schmaft.blogspot.ca/2012/07/notes-from-leafs-prospect-development.html

Sounds like Percy is coming along. Although whenever I hear his name I can't stop thinking about Blackadder

 

[Rebel_1812]

Stewart was traded for a number 1 defenseman.  Tlusty was traded for a busted prospect.

And Tuukka Rask was traded for Andrew Raycroft.

By a stupid GM. ;-)

 

[Redleaf]

Nice vote of confidence for the new kid....

A persistent threat to join the rush with the ability to read the play and return defensively, Rielly offered snapshots of ready-made NHL ability, all the more enticing when envisioned alongside higher talent.

?Sometimes the learning curve could be vast,? said Hughes, noting Rielly's improvement from Monday until the camp's conclusion on Thursday, ?[but] it was evident when he carried that puck up the ice a few times and moved it and [played] with intelligence, you say ?My goodness, what do we have here?', like maybe we need to continue to reassess this a little bit more, maybe he's ahead of the curve.?

 

[rdowdall]

Nice vote of confidence for the new kid....

A persistent threat to join the rush with the ability to read the play and return defensively, Rielly offered snapshots of ready-made NHL ability, all the more enticing when envisioned alongside higher talent.

?Sometimes the learning curve could be vast,? said Hughes, noting Rielly's improvement from Monday until the camp's conclusion on Thursday, ?[but] it was evident when he carried that puck up the ice a few times and moved it and [played] with intelligence, you say ?My goodness, what do we have here?', like maybe we need to continue to reassess this a little bit more, maybe he's ahead of the curve.?

He better go back to junior.  Just for one more year.

 

[Rebel_1812]

they would have been gushing over forsberg or Griego too. 

 

[Bender]

Nice vote of confidence for the new kid....

A persistent threat to join the rush with the ability to read the play and return defensively, Rielly offered snapshots of ready-made NHL ability, all the more enticing when envisioned alongside higher talent.

?Sometimes the learning curve could be vast,? said Hughes, noting Rielly's improvement from Monday until the camp's conclusion on Thursday, ?[but] it was evident when he carried that puck up the ice a few times and moved it and [played] with intelligence, you say ?My goodness, what do we have here?', like maybe we need to continue to reassess this a little bit more, maybe he's ahead of the curve.?

He better go back to junior.  Just for one more year.

You know what, just because Schenn didn't translate doesn't mean others can't. If they're ready they're ready. If Rielly goes back to junior and doesn't make the team after a year in the A we'll say that we stunted his development. He was too good for the league but we didn't allow him to get better since he played against inferior opponents.

Either way, if something goes wrong, it's the organization always. Never the player.

 

[rdowdall]

Nice vote of confidence for the new kid....

A persistent threat to join the rush with the ability to read the play and return defensively, Rielly offered snapshots of ready-made NHL ability, all the more enticing when envisioned alongside higher talent.

?Sometimes the learning curve could be vast,? said Hughes, noting Rielly's improvement from Monday until the camp's conclusion on Thursday, ?[but] it was evident when he carried that puck up the ice a few times and moved it and [played] with intelligence, you say ?My goodness, what do we have here?', like maybe we need to continue to reassess this a little bit more, maybe he's ahead of the curve.?

He better go back to junior.  Just for one more year.

You know what, just because Schenn didn't translate doesn't mean others can't. If they're ready they're ready. If Rielly goes back to junior and doesn't make the team after a year in the A we'll say that we stunted his development. He was too good for the league but we didn't allow him to get better since he played against inferior opponents.

Either way, if something goes wrong, it's the organization always. Never the player.

I realize that the Leafs are in a much better position to asses whether or not this 18 year can play in the NHL, but I worry sometimes that bias comes in to play and that players are rushed. 

Grubranson went back because of money, not because he didn't make the team in Florida.  They said that it stunted his growth.  He seemed to play okay last year.

Personally, I just think the kid is a little too small to be playing in the NHL at this time.

 

[Bender]

Nice vote of confidence for the new kid....

A persistent threat to join the rush with the ability to read the play and return defensively, Rielly offered snapshots of ready-made NHL ability, all the more enticing when envisioned alongside higher talent.

?Sometimes the learning curve could be vast,? said Hughes, noting Rielly's improvement from Monday until the camp's conclusion on Thursday, ?[but] it was evident when he carried that puck up the ice a few times and moved it and [played] with intelligence, you say ?My goodness, what do we have here?', like maybe we need to continue to reassess this a little bit more, maybe he's ahead of the curve.?

He better go back to junior.  Just for one more year.

You know what, just because Schenn didn't translate doesn't mean others can't. If they're ready they're ready. If Rielly goes back to junior and doesn't make the team after a year in the A we'll say that we stunted his development. He was too good for the league but we didn't allow him to get better since he played against inferior opponents.

Either way, if something goes wrong, it's the organization always. Never the player.

I realize that the Leafs are in a much better position to asses whether or not this 18 year can play in the NHL, but I worry sometimes that bias comes in to play and that players are rushed. 

Grubranson went back because of money, not because he didn't make the team in Florida.  They said that it stunted his growth.  He seemed to play okay last year.

Personally, I just think the kid is a little too small to be playing in the NHL at this time.

I think he needs to spend a full year in the A in order to get his game back.

 

[bustaheims]

I think he needs to spend a full year in the A in order to get his game back.

That's not an option. It's the Leafs or junior.

 

[Bullfrog]

It's either junior hockey or the NHL. He can't go to the AHL.


edit: I guess I should have refreshed before replying.

 

[bustaheims]

It's either junior hockey or the NHL. He can't go to the AHL.


edit: I guess I should have refreshed before replying.

No, no. Maybe the more it gets repeated, the less people will bring it up. Let's nip this in the bud well before training camp.

 

[princedpw]

The best reason to send him back is to suppress his salary.  If you send him back, it's one more year on the rookie pay scale.  It's one more year to evaluate how good he is defensively and what kind of talent he can defend against (even if he is an offensive dynamo).  It's one more year before free agency.

The problem with Schenn was that it would have been nice to have one more year to evaluate his play before giving him his first RFA contract.  If we did that, we might have signed him for 1.5 million instead of 3.6 and he would have been much, much more valuable on the trade market, even if we still wanted to trade him.

 

[bustaheims]

The best reason to send him back is to suppress his salary.  If you send him back, it's one more year on the rookie pay scale.  It's one more year to evaluate how good he is defensively and what kind of talent he can defend against (even if he is an offensive dynamo).  It's one more year before free agency.

The problem with Schenn was that it would have been nice to have one more year to evaluate his play before giving him his first RFA contract.  If we did that, we might have signed him for 1.5 million instead of 3.6 and he would have been much, much more valuable on the trade market, even if we still wanted to trade him.

Not really how it works. It's 3 professional seasons on their ELC regardless of when that first season is. Junior seasons don't change that. If the Leafs had sent Schenn back to junior, he'd be signing his 2nd contract this summer instead of last summer, and, if he had played his first 3 seasons at the same level, he'd be getting a very similar contract to the one he signed last summer.