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Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.
 
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.

I guess he just figured that for someone to have a very specific opinion like that that they might actually have some kind of, you know, facts to base it upon.

 
Andy007 said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.

I guess he just figured that for someone to have a very specific opinion like that that they might actually have some kind of, you know, facts to base it upon.

Carl Crawford. I'll leave you to decipher that.
 
Andy007 said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.

I guess he just figured that for someone to have a very specific opinion like that that they might actually have some kind of, you know, facts to base it upon.

Yeah, I mean how do you have a dialog when its just a bunch of baseless opinions. I believe fairies are the cause of the Leafs' problems developing their first round picks. Don't ask me why I believe this, I just do, ok?!
 
Bender said:
Andy007 said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.

I guess he just figured that for someone to have a very specific opinion like that that they might actually have some kind of, you know, facts to base it upon.

Yeah, I mean how do you have a dialog when its just a bunch of baseless opinions. I believe fairies are the cause of the Leafs' problems developing their first round picks. Don't ask me why I believe this, I just do, ok?!

You don't want to have a discussion. The first thing you did when you responded was call me crazy. You made your position crystal clear with that response, so I didn't feel that further discussion was necessary. Whatever reasons I give you would be "crazy" so I'm not wasting my time giving you any.
 
TML fan said:
Bender said:
Andy007 said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.

I guess he just figured that for someone to have a very specific opinion like that that they might actually have some kind of, you know, facts to base it upon.

Yeah, I mean how do you have a dialog when its just a bunch of baseless opinions. I believe fairies are the cause of the Leafs' problems developing their first round picks. Don't ask me why I believe this, I just do, ok?!

You don't want to have a discussion. The first thing you did when you responded was call me crazy. You made your position crystal clear with that response, so I didn't feel that further discussion was necessary. Whatever reasons I give you would be "crazy" so I'm not wasting my time giving you any.

Walt Williams.
 
Among NHL centers Kadri is 6th in +/-, 6th in points, 8th in assists, 9th among in goals, and 94th in icetime.

Not shabby.
 
Nice article an Kadri...

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/50389-Maple-Leafs-playoff-push-led-by-budding-Nazem-Kadri.html
 
Omallley said:
Among NHL centers Kadri is 6th in +/-, 6th in points, 8th in assists, 9th among in goals, and 94th in icetime.

Not shabby.

Not at all, it's nice to see him doing well for the Leafs. I think Burke, Eakins and Carlyle deserve some credit for his latest success, but Nazem has sure been persistent in the character department. He's overcome some difficulty to come out the way he is, kudos to him.
 
Nik Gida said:
Andy007 said:
Fans, I guess, were expecting a 70-80 point defenceman, which Murphy was the two preceding years in Pittsburgh.

I think it was that, the big salary and, as I said above, the fact that the team around him crumbled. Still, I'd have loved to have spoken to a fan that didn't think Murphy's production might drop considering he put up those 70-80 point seasons on the point of a power play that also featured two of the five best offensive players of all-time.

That and the system used by the Leafs was vastly different from the one employed by the Penguins.  Sometimes players just don't fit with the team they are on.  See Joffrey Lupul in Edmonton and the second time in Anahiem. 
 
TML fan said:
Bender said:
Andy007 said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
Bender said:
TML fan said:
I actually believe this is why the Leafs have a hard time developing players, particularly 1st round picks.

That said, I think Kadri is one of the few who can actually handle the pressure.

I kind of think its a bit crazy to think that the media pressure makes it hard for the Leafs to develop players. Im sure they tell their prospect beforehand to ignore what's written about them and focus on playing their game. Its not like this is anything new or that the organization doesn't know how to deal with it.

Just because the player is informed doesn't mean he can handle it.

And you think that thats the reason why in the majority of cases the Leafs couldn't develop first round talent?

That's what I said, isn't it?

Right. But you also didn't give much evidence or a supporting argument.

Sorry, your Honour. I didn't realize that was a requirement for stating an opinion. Withdrawn.

I guess he just figured that for someone to have a very specific opinion like that that they might actually have some kind of, you know, facts to base it upon.

Yeah, I mean how do you have a dialog when its just a bunch of baseless opinions. I believe fairies are the cause of the Leafs' problems developing their first round picks. Don't ask me why I believe this, I just do, ok?!

You don't want to have a discussion. The first thing you did when you responded was call me crazy. You made your position crystal clear with that response, so I didn't feel that further discussion was necessary. Whatever reasons I give you would be "crazy" so I'm not wasting my time giving you any.

You gave me the time of day right after I stated that, so either it's become an issue only now or it was an issue before but you didn't say anything. I think you're being extreme in your view that I personally attacked you and have made up my mind when I said "I kind of think its a bit crazy to think..." This shows I'm being delicate, whereas if I really wanted to attack you I could've just cut to the chase and called you an idiot (which I don't think you are). My position is pretty staunch because there was a failure to back up an argument that affects the Leafs organization as a whole, rather than a simple "I don't like x player because..." Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and an argument about the media butchering our first round picks due to external pressure rather than internal issues (bad picks, bad management) is quite an extraordinary claim in comparison.

Plus, that kind of claim would HAVE to go beyond first round picks, as there are players outside of the first round who have been hyped up (Justin Pogge). So as an example against this, I would argue Reimer has faced the most media pressure of any goalie since Andrew Raycroft, so why is he succeeding where so many others have failed?
 
First of all, I'm not "required" to provide evidence of anything. This isn't a courtroom drama, and I have nothing to prove to anyone. As far as I know, i am free to post whatever I like as long as its not inflammatory or offensive. I have an opinion, a theory based on my own observations, and I felt like posting it because I thought that was ok. I didn't care if it was responded to or not. I posted my comment, you thought it was crazy (or stupid, or whatever) and believe it or not, I'm ok with that.

I said "particularly" implying it was not exclusive to first round picks. As far as why some succeed where others don't, I don't have an answer for that, as I am not an expert on the human brain and why some people react differently to pressure than others. I think two indisputable facts are that Toronto is a pressure packed playing environment, and that human beings react to pressure, some worse than others. So yeah, maybe I don't have "evidence" but so the eff what? I'm not trying to convince you.

 
TML fan said:
First of all, I'm not "required" to provide evidence of anything. This isn't a courtroom drama, and I have nothing to prove to anyone. As far as I know, i am free to post whatever I like as long as its not inflammatory or offensive. I have an opinion, a theory based on my own observations, and I felt like posting it because I thought that was ok. I didn't care if it was responded to or not. I posted my comment, you thought it was crazy (or stupid, or whatever) and believe it or not, I'm ok with that.

I said "particularly" implying it was not exclusive to first round picks. As far as why some succeed where others don't, I don't have an answer for that, as I am not an expert on the human brain and why some people react differently to pressure than others. I think two indisputable facts are that Toronto is a pressure packed playing environment, and that human beings react to pressure, some worse than others. So yeah, maybe I don't have "evidence" but so the eff what? I'm not trying to convince you.

I know you're not "required" to provide evidence - you're OK with that, and I'm OK with viewing your observations as flawed until proven otherwise. I don't understand how this is problematic to you.
 
Bender said:
TML fan said:
First of all, I'm not "required" to provide evidence of anything. This isn't a courtroom drama, and I have nothing to prove to anyone. As far as I know, i am free to post whatever I like as long as its not inflammatory or offensive. I have an opinion, a theory based on my own observations, and I felt like posting it because I thought that was ok. I didn't care if it was responded to or not. I posted my comment, you thought it was crazy (or stupid, or whatever) and believe it or not, I'm ok with that.

I said "particularly" implying it was not exclusive to first round picks. As far as why some succeed where others don't, I don't have an answer for that, as I am not an expert on the human brain and why some people react differently to pressure than others. I think two indisputable facts are that Toronto is a pressure packed playing environment, and that human beings react to pressure, some worse than others. So yeah, maybe I don't have "evidence" but so the eff what? I'm not trying to convince you.

I know you're not "required" to provide evidence - you're OK with that, and I'm OK with viewing your observations as flawed until proven otherwise. I don't understand how this is problematic to you.

It's not.
 
Nazem "The Dream" Kadri has arrived.

8 points in his last 3 games has made him soar to the top-10 in scoring. With 33 points in 31 games he sits 8th, and ahead of everyone in the NHL not named Getzlaf, Staal, Kane, St. Louis, Kunitz, Stamkos, and Crosby. With the exception of Chris Stewart, Kadri is also playing significantly less minutes than anyone else in the top 40 in NHL scoring.

Has Toronto's long-coveted 1st line centre been under our nose the whole time? If Kadri keeps up this PPG+ pace it's going to be hard to answer "no" to the question.
 
Justin said:
Nazem "The Dream" Kadri has arrived.

8 points in his last 3 games has made him soar to the top-10 in scoring. With 33 points in 31 games he sits 8th, and ahead of everyone in the NHL not named Getzlaf, Staal, Kane, St. Louis, Kunitz, Stamkos, and Crosby. With the exception of Chris Stewart, Kadri is also playing significantly less minutes than anyone else in the top 40 in NHL scoring.

Has Toronto's long-coveted 1st line centre been under our nose the whole time? If Kadri keeps up this PPG+ pace it's going to be hard to answer "no" to the question.

A couple of months doth not a legend make but he's easily the most exciting player to come along since our last true 1C.  I hope you're right.
 
What I like about Kadri aside from his obvious skill set is his willingness to take a hit.  There was one play tonight in behind the net that he chased a puck with no hesitation, knowing he was going get hit hard and he somehow managed to chip the puck out before getting crumpled to the ice.  He is the exact opposite of Kessel in that regard.
 

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