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Nik the Trik said:TimKerr said:She is truly that afraid of a NDP majority which is why she said vote Liberal.
It's something you see all over the place, whether in the States with Centrist Democrats vs. the Sanders wing of the party or Blairite Labour vs. Corbin Labour but I really think that one of the incredible blind spots of centrist politics, and what's leading to their demise, is their somewhat bizarre belief that a Left Wing government is just as damaging as a Right Wing one.
bustaheims said:cabber24 said:It's definitely detrimental to their party, 39.5% of the votes and 54% of the seats, beautiful math. Like I said it was part of his platform which he quickly retracted after he won. Anyway we're talking provincial elections right now.
If the party I vote for loses, I would like to think my vote is worth more then $2.71. Never mind, I have no idea why any party would get any tax dollars to campaign. Cancel my $2.71 and give me proportional representation and I can choose to donate or not.
What I'm saying is the potential detriment to the party isn't the reason they backed off. The constitutional reform issues made it unfeasible.
WAYNEINIONA said:I can't honestly vote for any of them. Since there won't be a "none of the above" box, I will write it across the bottom.
WAYNEINIONA said:I can't honestly vote for any of them. Since there won't be a "none of the above" box, I will write it across the bottom.
TimKerr said:The article below states that it is only an act of legislation in order to change the voting system in Canada.
In fact, proportional representation designed for Canada ? whether Mixed Member Proportional, Single Transferable Vote, or a hybrid of those, is just an act of legislation.
The only model of proportional representation that is unconstitutional in Canada is one where ridings cross provincial boundaries. For example, implementing a nation-wide, party list system like Israel. Such a system is highly unsuited for Canada and nobody has ever proposed it.
https://www.fairvote.ca/2014/12/16/is-proportional-representation-constitutional/
mr grieves said:Is it possible that center-left politicians act this way not because they believe left governments are as damaging as right wing ones but because they see right wing governments as clearing easier paths back to power? Don't like us now? Well, let us heighten the contrasts for you.
Of course, maybe I spend too much time in left-wing circles and see accelerationists everywhere.
Thanks. I may have to give that a try.Captain Canuck said:WAYNEINIONA said:I can't honestly vote for any of them. Since there won't be a "none of the above" box, I will write it across the bottom.
Here is how you can do this and still have it "count".
On election day June 7, if you want to vote ?none of the above? you can, by going to your polling station and formally declining your ballot.
A little-known sentence in Ontario?s Election Act allows a voter to register his or her protest at the choices on offer by declining to vote. Section 53 states: ?An elector who has received a ballot and returns it to the deputy returning officer declining to vote, forfeits the right to vote and the deputy returning officer shall immediately write the word ?declined? upon the back of the ballot and preserve it to be returned to the returning officer and shall cause an entry to be made in the poll record that the elector declined to vote.?
CarltonTheBear said:https://twitter.com/bruce_arthur/status/1003831097103396864
Oh.
Bates said:Can someone give me a quick explanation on how Proportional Representation might work? Who would represent my Riding and how would you decide who the MP's are? Not against such an idea but don't see how my interests locally could be represented??
Nik the Trik said:Bates said:Can someone give me a quick explanation on how Proportional Representation might work? Who would represent my Riding and how would you decide who the MP's are? Not against such an idea but don't see how my interests locally could be represented??
There isn't any one way how it might work. Lots of places have divided systems where, say, you would still have a local MP who you would vote for by name but then you would effectively cast a second ballot for a party and parliament would consist of a mix of locally elected representatives as well as a % of seats reserved for members chosen by the party and apportioned based on their % of the party vote.
This would, of course, expand the number of MPs significantly but lots of countries offset that by not having an upper chamber.
Another thing to consider is that it would be in a party's interest to serve local interests as a means to get your vote. So a party would be encouraged to, among their membership, choose a broad swath of reps from all over the country who could then be assigned de facto regions for constituency work.
STV all the way, baby! 8)Bates said:Thanks Folks. Personally I like the ranked ballot system better as it keeps my Riding the choice of people in my area. I know the other suggestion also does that but it increases Govt and we don't need more Govt.
Nik the Trik said:mr grieves said:Is it possible that center-left politicians act this way not because they believe left governments are as damaging as right wing ones but because they see right wing governments as clearing easier paths back to power? Don't like us now? Well, let us heighten the contrasts for you.
Of course, maybe I spend too much time in left-wing circles and see accelerationists everywhere.
I admire the cynicism and, you know, sure it's possible that that's at least part of what drives centrists politicians. But among actual centrist voters that I know/talk with/yell at it seems to be a genuinely held belief that any sort of hard-left government would be just as bad.
Today projected to win just 2 seats. We could be down to a two party debate next provincial election.Bullfrog said:cabber24 said:The CBC poll says 79.3% chance of PC majority? This is the result of another "first past the post" voting system. A dead heat turns into a majority for someone, I hate that. I wish we had a proportional representation voting system. I want every vote to count proportionately. Parties get $'s per vote why not representation in the house?
Liberals are projected to win 20% of the popular vote, but only 4% of the seats!