Panthers @ Leafs - Dec. 20th, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050

[Guilt Trip]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

Because you can't teach 6'4" or whatever Babs says lol.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

While I didn't watch the game, perhaps you can explain exactly what you are expecting from him?

 

[hockeyfan1]

Maybe that ballet stint did them good. 

Tavares on Matthews:

"At times he makes it look easy ? a lot of the time he makes it look easy ? and this league definitely is not easy," Tavares said of the 21-year-old Matthews. "To do it at this level that consistently is a testament to his skill set and his attention to detail.

"No question he's got one of the best shots in the game."

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

While I didn't watch the game, perhaps you can explain exactly what you are expecting from him?

I'd say I was expecting him to look like a NHLer but that'd be a lie I know better than that.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

While I didn't watch the game, perhaps you can explain exactly what you are expecting from him?

I'd say I was expecting him to look like a NHLer but that'd be a lie I know better than that.

Well that seems like a sound argument coming from a guy on a message board.  :

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

While I didn't watch the game, perhaps you can explain exactly what you are expecting from him?

I'd say I was expecting him to look like a NHLer but that'd be a lie I know better than that.

Well that seems like a sound argument coming from a guy on a message board.  :

Oh wow you got me there.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Among the best:

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[OldTimeHockey]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

While I didn't watch the game, perhaps you can explain exactly what you are expecting from him?

I'd say I was expecting him to look like a NHLer but that'd be a lie I know better than that.

Well that seems like a sound argument coming from a guy on a message board.  :

Oh wow you got me there.

Hey man, i asked an honest question. And I actually didn't have any judgements whether he deserved a spot or not. I can't say I've paid attention much or watched much hockey in the past couple weeks.

All I asked for was your reasoning. You answered like an ass-hat. That's where we're at.

 

[digdug]

Gauthier didn't play much but from what I saw he looked pretty good

He looked faster than I thought he would look...

Need to see him more before deciding if he is a good 4th liner or not

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Hey man, i asked an honest question. And I actually didn't have any judgements whether he deserved a spot or not. I can't say I've paid attention much or watched much hockey in the past couple weeks.

All I asked for was your reasoning. You answered like an ass-hat. That's where we're at.

I answered your question by saying that I didn't have any expectations for him because I don't consider him a NHLer.

This also isn't a game-by-game, "well how did Gautheir look this particular night" thing. Despite very small improvements in the past 3 years he's shown time and time again that he isn't deserving of a NHL roster spot and doesn't have a NHL future.

 

[Bender]

Hey man, i asked an honest question. And I actually didn't have any judgements whether he deserved a spot or not. I can't say I've paid attention much or watched much hockey in the past couple weeks.

All I asked for was your reasoning. You answered like an ass-hat. That's where we're at.

I answered your question by saying that I didn't have any expectations for him because I don't consider him a NHLer.

This also isn't a game-by-game, "well how did Gautheir look this particular night" thing. Despite very small improvements in the past 3 years he's shown time and time again that he isn't deserving of a NHL roster spot and doesn't have a NHL future.

I understand we don't have much 4C depth but was he really the best option vs keeping Leivo? At least Leivo is an NHLer.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I understand we don't have much 4C depth but was he really the best option vs keeping Leivo? At least Leivo is an NHLer.

I've accepted that that decision was more about fulfilling a promise the team made to Leivo.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Rielly has 4 assists so far?

Yep, but only one primary assist. Still a fantastic game for Morgan.

I think evaluating defensemen on primary points is kinda hogwash.  The analytics groups have proven that for forwards, secondary assists is not predictive of future performance and thats why we talk alot about primary points.  IIRC, there was less "its just noise" for d-men.

On another note, some people (not necessarily on this board) have been looking at Morgan's stats this year and saying "well yeah, he's just racking up the points on that lethal PP just passing across the umbrella... anyone decent can do that".  They aren't necessarily wrong.

That said, Morgan has 20 points at 5v5 this season (2nd in the league behind Chabot).  He's on pace for 47 points at 5v5.  Which would be the highest total for a D-man in the analytics era (since 2007-2008)

Only Erik Karlsson (x4), Brent Burns, Duncan Keith, and Mike Green have got 35 points in a year at 5v5 in that timespan.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Hey man, i asked an honest question. And I actually didn't have any judgements whether he deserved a spot or not. I can't say I've paid attention much or watched much hockey in the past couple weeks.

All I asked for was your reasoning. You answered like an ass-hat. That's where we're at.

I answered your question by saying that I didn't have any expectations for him because I don't consider him a NHLer.

This also isn't a game-by-game, "well how did Gautheir look this particular night" thing. Despite very small improvements in the past 3 years he's shown time and time again that he isn't deserving of a NHL roster spot and doesn't have a NHL future.

I understand we don't have much 4C depth but was he really the best option vs keeping Leivo? At least Leivo is an NHLer.

I don't  think either will ever be really strong NHL players and will remain perimeter fill ins throughout their career.

 

[Highlander]

Hey man, i asked an honest question. And I actually didn't have any judgements whether he deserved a spot or not. I can't say I've paid attention much or watched much hockey in the past couple weeks.

All I asked for was your reasoning. You answered like an ass-hat. That's where we're at.

I answered your question by saying that I didn't have any expectations for him because I don't consider him a NHLer.

This also isn't a game-by-game, "well how did Gautheir look this particular night" thing. Despite very small improvements in the past 3 years he's shown time and time again that he isn't deserving of a NHL roster spot and doesn't have a NHL future.

I understand we don't have much 4C depth but was he really the best option vs keeping Leivo? At least Leivo is an NHLer.

I don't  think either will ever be really strong NHL players and will remain perimeter fill ins throughout their career.

I like having a Goat on the team, could be the new mascot. A friends son in AZ looks exactly like him, the weird thing is he is also 6'5"

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm still accepting explanations for why Gauthier is on the team if anybody has them.

While I didn't watch the game, perhaps you can explain exactly what you are expecting from him?

I'd say I was expecting him to look like a NHLer but that'd be a lie I know better than that.

Lying right before Christmas too. tsk tsk. That was a close one.

 

[Andy007]

Gauthier didn't play much but from what I saw he looked pretty good

He looked faster than I thought he would look...

Need to see him more before deciding if he is a good 4th liner or not

I thought he looked pretty fast, and pretty decent overall, last night too.

He certainly hasn't done anything to cement an NHL roster spot, granted, but it hasn't been, say, a Matt Martin case where I'm wondering why the heck this guy is on the ice.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I thought he looked pretty fast, and pretty decent overall, last night too.

He certainly hasn't done anything to cement an NHL roster spot, granted, but it hasn't been, say, a Matt Martin case where I'm wondering why the heck this guy is on the ice.

Cap hits being equal I'd probably take Martin over Gauthier.

 

[Highlander]

I thought he looked pretty fast, and pretty decent overall, last night too.

He certainly hasn't done anything to cement an NHL roster spot, granted, but it hasn't been, say, a Matt Martin case where I'm wondering why the heck this guy is on the ice.

Cap hits being equal I'd probably take Martin over Gauthier.

I'd take Martins wife over the Goat

 

[Guilt Trip]

I thought he looked pretty fast, and pretty decent overall, last night too.

He certainly hasn't done anything to cement an NHL roster spot, granted, but it hasn't been, say, a Matt Martin case where I'm wondering why the heck this guy is on the ice.

Cap hits being equal I'd probably take Martin over Gauthier.

Both aren't good enough other then on an emergency basis. We have better options on the Marlies.