Pietrangelo Watch

[herman]

I'm maxed at 7.27M AAV over 7 yrs with whatever structure is nice and attractive for him to move his young family, but also give some flexibility to both parties if it ends up not working as expected, while still leveraging MLSE infinite cash. Yeah the AAV is less than STL's 7.7M offer, but they hate NMCs and SBs.
Example:
5 (4M SB, NMC)
7 (6M SB, NMC)
8.89 (7M SB, NMC)
10.5 (10M SB, m-NTC)
8 (7M SB, m-NTC)
6 (5M SB, m-NTC)
5.5 (4M SB, m-NTC)

https://twitter.com/account4hockey/status/1308561778952081408
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[Guilt Trip]

Andy Strickland said that yesterday on First Up.  AP wants it structured like many do now. St Louis told him we don't do that. He also wants a NMC. Strickland said he wouldn't be surprised if he took less somewhere else if it's structured the way he'd like. Says he feels disrespected. We'll see.

 

[herman]

Andy Strickland said that yesterday on First Up.  AP wants it structured like many do now. St Louis told him we don't do that. He also wants a NMC. Strickland said he wouldn't be surprised if he took less somewhere else if it's structured the way he'd like. Says he feels disrespected. We'll see.

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/23/toronto-maple-leafs-rumours-alex-pietrangelo-rights-trade-signing-bonuses/
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[CarltonTheBear]

St. Louis really, really doesn't do signing bonuses eh. The only player on the team who gets one is ROR and that contract is from Buffalo.

 

[Zee]

I'm coming home
I'm coming home
Tell the world I'm coming home
Let the rain wash away all the pain of yesterday
I know my kingdom awaits and they've forgiven my mistakes
I'm coming home, I'm coming home
Tell the world that I'm coming

 

[herman]

St. Louis really, really doesn't do signing bonuses eh. The only player on the team who gets one is ROR and that contract is from Buffalo.

No NMCs either.

If we can leverage bonuses and NMC/NTC assurances into a lower AAV and term (a la Muzzin)...

 

[Zee]

St. Louis really, really doesn't do signing bonuses eh. The only player on the team who gets one is ROR and that contract is from Buffalo.

No NMCs either.

If we can leverage bonuses and NMC/NTC assurances into a lower AAV and term (a la Muzzin)...

You can guarantee any deal the Leafs offer will be league minimum actual salary and everything in signing bonus.

 

[Guilt Trip]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

 

[Guilt Trip]

St. Louis really, really doesn't do signing bonuses eh. The only player on the team who gets one is ROR and that contract is from Buffalo.

No NMCs either.

If we can leverage bonuses and NMC/NTC assurances into a lower AAV and term (a la Muzzin)...

You can guarantee any deal the Leafs offer will be league minimum actual salary and everything in signing bonus.

Def, they offer signing bonuses in almost every new deal. Makes a player easier to trade down the road. Win for the player and the team.

 

[Zee]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

 

[Guilt Trip]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

That's why I was, well still, on the fence in the first place. I think we can survive losing Kerfoot and Johnsson to sign him but it's that 7 year term. Don't worry, later today I'll be leaning towards get him lol. I guess the bottom line will be the dollars involved. If we can get him under 8??

 

[Zee]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

That's why I was, well still, on the fence in the first place. I think we can survive losing Kerfoot and Johnsson to sign him but it's that 7 year term. Don't worry, later today I'll be leaning towards get him lol. I guess the bottom line will be the dollars involved. If we can get him under 8??

I'm like a crazed GM on his last ropes not worrying about 7 years down the road.  I've waited long enough for a Cup to my team let's do this, damn the torpedos.

 

[Redleaf]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

That's why I was, well still, on the fence in the first place. I think we can survive losing Kerfoot and Johnsson to sign him but it's that 7 year term. Don't worry, later today I'll be leaning towards get him lol. I guess the bottom line will be the dollars involved. If we can get him under 8??

I'm like a crazed GM on his last ropes not worrying about 7 years down the road.  I've waited long enough for a Cup to my team let's do this, damn the torpedos.

Who you shipping out to make the space?

 

[L K]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

That's why I was, well still, on the fence in the first place. I think we can survive losing Kerfoot and Johnsson to sign him but it's that 7 year term. Don't worry, later today I'll be leaning towards get him lol. I guess the bottom line will be the dollars involved. If we can get him under 8??

I'm like a crazed GM on his last ropes not worrying about 7 years down the road.  I've waited long enough for a Cup to my team let's do this, damn the torpedos.

It's a way to look at it.  I'm not sure I necessarily want to put all our eggs into the basket of win before Matthews leaves in 4 years basket though.  Realistically we have the chance of having Marner/Matthews/Nylander here as elite players for another 10 years.  Signing Pietrangelo to a big deal is great.  It also means we lose Rielly in a year.  So are the Leafs that much better of a Cup contender with a garbage bottom 6 fowards because we can't pay anyone by simply replacing Rielly with Pietrangelo?  I'm not sure that's really the case.  It would make us much better on the defense this year and then we could be a world of trouble the year after that.

Ovechkin didn't win his Cup until his 13th season with the Capitals.

 

[Zee]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

That's why I was, well still, on the fence in the first place. I think we can survive losing Kerfoot and Johnsson to sign him but it's that 7 year term. Don't worry, later today I'll be leaning towards get him lol. I guess the bottom line will be the dollars involved. If we can get him under 8??

I'm like a crazed GM on his last ropes not worrying about 7 years down the road.  I've waited long enough for a Cup to my team let's do this, damn the torpedos.

It's a way to look at it.  I'm not sure I necessarily want to put all our eggs into the basket of win before Matthews leaves in 4 years basket though.  Realistically we have the chance of having Marner/Matthews/Nylander here as elite players for another 10 years.  Signing Pietrangelo to a big deal is great.  It also means we lose Rielly in a year.  So are the Leafs that much better of a Cup contender with a garbage bottom 6 fowards because we can't pay anyone by simply replacing Rielly with Pietrangelo?  I'm not sure that's really the case.  It would make us much better on the defense this year and then we could be a world of trouble the year after that.

Ovechkin didn't win his Cup until his 13th season with the Capitals.

We would have Rielly/Pietrangelo for 2 years, then hope Sandin can be ready in 2022/2023 to take over a bigger role.  Bottom 6 they have to entice those bargain bin deals for vets like Spezza took this year. I'm old, I don't want to wait another decade.

 

[Guilt Trip]

As much as I'd like to have AP, I'm def starting to lean towards the not signing him side. 7 mill per max....let someone else over pay him.

Where else are they gonna find a right hand shot like him?  The Leafs window is only as open as the Matthews contract which is 4 years left.  Might as well take a big swing now, go big or go home.

That's why I was, well still, on the fence in the first place. I think we can survive losing Kerfoot and Johnsson to sign him but it's that 7 year term. Don't worry, later today I'll be leaning towards get him lol. I guess the bottom line will be the dollars involved. If we can get him under 8??

I'm like a crazed GM on his last ropes not worrying about 7 years down the road.  I've waited long enough for a Cup to my team let's do this, damn the torpedos.

Who you shipping out to make the space?

Kerfoot and Johnsson will do it.

 

[Frank E]

Yeah, I don't want the Leafs to end up like Edmonton here.  I'm not sure you can do it with Kerfoot and Johnsson.

When you have a glaring weakness, it needs to be addressed.  Pietrangelo costs nothing but money/cap.

Trade from a position of strength with Nylander or Marner if you have to.  I'd really like to see Rielly have a couple of years with a proper top shelf RHD to play with, maybe Rielly gets even better learning from the guy.  I've said it before, but Pietrangelo is a known quantity.  He's really good at a position the Leafs currently have Holl as the best option...and I don't like that guy. 

 

[herman]

You just said you don?t want to be Edmonton and then recommended trading out one of the team?s top wingers for a defenseman.

 

[Bullfrog]

You just said you don?t want to be Edmonton and then recommended trading out one of the team?s top wingers for a defenseman.

Pietrangelo's a bit better than Larsson, no?

 

[rdowdall]

Would it be better to go with Pietrangelo, or to go with DeMelo and Brodie?

I'm just wondering if quantity or top end quality is a better move.  Defence by committee kind of like what the Leafs did in the early 90's.