Please dont put Scrivens on that pedestal

[Bonsixx]

Fine, not Bobby Orr, but whoever it was that compared him to Niedermayer, did him no favours.  The kid looks alright, but he has played one season.  If for example next year he only gets 15 points, people will be all over him about how he isn't a stud d-man.  The simple fact of the matter is that he isn't a stud d-man now, and may never be.  He may be something we already had which is Tomas Kaberle.

Sometimes when people make a comparison, it's about the playing style. It's not always to say they'll achieve the same level of success.

At the same time can you really say this a Leafs fan/media thing? It doesn't take long to realize that even reading scouting reports on prospects on TSN gives the impression that many of these kids will be exceptional players - more than anyone here and anyone in the Leafs' specific media as far as I can tell.

I remember hearing Gardiner's offensive ceiling wasn't very high, at least that's what the scouting report was on him and allegedly a part of why the Ducks agreed to move him. Whether that's now changed based on a small bit of success this season, I don't know, but I still wouldn't count him on ever becoming more than a 35ish point guy, which would still be solid.

Hopefully I'm wrong and he achieves superstardom, the Leafs are certainly due a break like that, but I'll need more than one season of work to hop on that train.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Maybe if the Leafs had Mighty Mouse in goal, they'd win the Cup every year.  He'd stop every shot!  ;D

 

[Wendel's Fist]

He hasn't been coached by Francois Allaire yet. Be patient.


Here is a link to the story in the Star when Scrivens signed with the Leafs.

I did not bother to look up the link, but Owuya also stated that one of the reasons that he chose the Leafs when he was a free agent was because of his experience with Allaire.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/mapleleafs/article/801740--leafs-sign-another-quality-goaltender

Leafs sign another quality goaltender
April 29, 2010

Paul Hunter

As a college graduate, Ben Scrivens can obviously do the math. And he understands the Leafs have already been adding some impressive netminders to their depth chart.

But that didn't stop the Cornell goaltending star from signing a one-year entry level contract with Toronto on Wednesday. Not when it meant a chance to work with coach Francois Allaire.

Through a connection last summer ? one of Scrivens' teammates at Cornell was the son of former Swiss team coach Ralph Krueger ? the 22-year-old was invited as a last-minute fill-in at an elite goaltending camp in Switzerland run by Allaire; a camp attended in the past by the likes of Jonas Hiller, David Aebischer and Martin Gerber.

Scrivens was impressed.

?(Allaire) has got the reputation he has for a good reason. You don't have that many people develop without doing a whole lot of things in the right way,? Scrivens said in a telephone interview.

?I was very happy I was given the opportunity to work with him. ... He was very influential in the past season I had. I learned a ton in one week so I'm very excited to see what I can do with him this year.?

Scrivens, a native of Spruce Grove, Alta., had an excellent year with Big Red, finishing as one of the 10 finalists for the Hobey Baker Award as college player of the year. The graduating senior won the Ken Dryden Award as the top goaltender in the ECAC and had the nation's best save percentage (.934) and was tied for first in GAA (1.87).

In one remarkable stretch Scrivens recorded consecutive shutouts against Havard, Brown and Union and finished with the third-longest shutout streak in NCAA history, going 267:11 without allowing a goal.

Scrivens, at 6-foot-2, has the type of frame that Allaire likes to work with. He is expected to compete for a job with the AHL Marlies but that will be a tough team to make with James Reimer already there and newcomer Jussi Rynnas, a recent free-agent signing out of Finland, expected to land there as well. Scrivens is more likely to begin his pro career in the ECHL. Jonas Gustavsson and Jean-Sebastien Giguere are the incumbents with the Leafs.

?There are some world-class goalies I'm going to have to battle with to earn some playing time,? said Scrivens. ?But ... I'll trust management and the coaches to make the best decision (as to where I start).

?It's a huge developmental year for me.?

Oh come on..........do you have any facts to back that up?

Joking aside......Allaire was the reason why Gustavsson came here too. From all I've heard, they don't get along anymore.

As much as Scrivens backs Francois, he hasn't played a full NHL season under the guy.

He might change his tune once or if that happens.

 

[Corn Flake]

As much as Scrivens backs Francois, he hasn't played a full NHL season under the guy.

What are you talking about? Allaire spends a substantial amount of time with the Marlie goalies.  He isn't exclusive to the goalies who happen to be with the big club.  How do we know? It has been mentioned on a routine basis for the entire time he's been here.  They share a practice facility.  He's traveled to Reading to work with those goalies as well. 

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Maybe if the Leafs had Mighty Mouse in goal, they'd win the Cup every year.  He'd stop every shot!  ;D

I'd take Wonder Woman right now.  That would be awesome... like Manon Rh?aume with magic bracelets.  Hey, I wonder if she's available...

 

[moon111]

I'd also comment that if the Bruins didn't adapt their playing style to make way for Bobby Orr's offense, he wouldn't of been as good. 

 

[Tigger]

Allaire was the reason why Gustavsson came here too. From all I've heard, they don't get along anymore.

Where'd you hear that?

 

[mr grieves]

Now that he's gone, I will.

Though I wouldn't've been comfortable with him having 30 starts, I will miss the team having an Ivy Leaguer who marches in the pride parade, gives thoughtful interviews, links to Cam Charron articles and the Commission on the Humanities and Social Sciences' report on the necessity of a liberal arts education.

Hopefully Colton Orr will address these organizational weaknesses.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Now that he's gone, I will.

Though I wouldn't've been comfortable with him having 30 starts, I will miss the team having an Ivy Leaguer who marches in the pride parade, gives thoughtful interviews, links to Cam Charron articles and the Commission on the Humanities and Social Sciences' report on the necessity of a liberal arts education.

Hopefully Colton Orr will address these organizational weaknesses.

Scrivens came across as an intelligent fellow. 

That is not a "weakness".  Not from a personality or character perspective.