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Bender said:Busta Reims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup? Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.
At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:cw said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup? Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
Maybe. Maybe not.
If Reimer came back healthy soon and was playing well, I'd play him 9 of every 10 games if I was intent on making the playoffs. And I might send Scrivens down to get a bunch of games in the AHL while Gus rides the pine and might even be piggish enough to bring Scrivens up 1 out of every 10 games if he shows more over the next few games.
I'd like to see how Ben does for the next few games - to see if there's any improvement. No matter what, he's starting to look like he has more of a future than Gus right now and he needs to play.
Neither of them have proven or disproven anything because they haven't played enough games. My position is that we should give them each a good stretch of starts to get a real fix on who should be the backup.
How people can write off Gustavsson at this point is beyond me. Well, actually it isn't: people are "guaranteeing" the Gus would have collapsed, that he drags the team's confidence down, that he has a bad attitude ... or, as Wilson seems to believe, that he's not resilient. In short, people are indulging in the admittedly very pleasant idle pastime of pop psychology.
I point out again that both of them are running at .500 w/l, so their actual impact on the team's fortunes is the same so far. All the other chatter is just that, chatter.
Bender said:Bonsixx said:Excellent piece (gasp, I know) by Damien Cox on this so-called parent trap:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1087673--cox-leaf-braintrust-should-stick-to-hockey
Actually, I wasn't particularly a fan of it and found it a rambling diatribe against the Leafs for having a media policy.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Bender said:Busta Reims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup? Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.
At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.
As the backup to whatever vet he acquires, not Reimer.
Corn Flake said:Hey Cox, maybe if you didn't spew drivel about how to run a hockey team then MLSE brass wouldn't spew drivel about how to be a journalist.
Madferret said:Both goalies have struggled to put together a 60 minute performance together...what's really the difference in the age going to make? There isn't a determined age where goalies are either determined a flop, plateaued, what-not. If there ever was a position where age is a wash...it's goaltending.
Who is the best goalie in the league right now?
Bender said:I don't think Burke will wait until Reimer gets back to get a vet. Once Reimer comes back, the vet becomes the backup and Scrivens goes down.
Tigger said:Bender said:I don't think Burke will wait until Reimer gets back to get a vet. Once Reimer comes back, the vet becomes the backup and Scrivens goes down.
Tough part is figuring out what to do with Goose in that case, he needs a home.
Anyone think Burke is feeding the fire a little bit with his comments about the possibility of acquiring a goalie? Denying interest in Turco keeps it warm too...
Bender said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Bender said:Busta Reims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup? Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.
At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.
As the backup to whatever vet he acquires, not Reimer.
You mean to go with Scrivens once Reimer comes back? I don't think Burke will wait until Reimer gets back to get a vet. Once Reimer comes back, the vet becomes the backup and Scrivens goes down.
Joe S. said:Madferret said:Both goalies have struggled to put together a 60 minute performance together...what's really the difference in the age going to make? There isn't a determined age where goalies are either determined a flop, plateaued, what-not. If there ever was a position where age is a wash...it's goaltending.
Who is the best goalie in the league right now?
For a sens fans, you sure do watch alot of Leafs games.
Bender said:I think Nabokov might make a lot of sense. Do Nabby and Wilson have a decent relationship from their SJ days?
Tigger said:Bender said:I think Nabokov might make a lot of sense. Do Nabby and Wilson have a decent relationship from their SJ days?
When Burke etc. made the decision to go with Reimer and Goose he was the first one I thought of to be coming up around the 20 game mark should the Leafs need some help. I dunno what the relationship with Wilson is like, if it's any good and the deal is cost effective why not, a one year cap friendly contract for an experienced vet still playing decently, sign me up.
Not entirely sure if/why the Islanders would trade him now though.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Bender said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Bender said:Busta Reims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup? Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.
At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.
As the backup to whatever vet he acquires, not Reimer.
You mean to go with Scrivens once Reimer comes back? I don't think Burke will wait until Reimer gets back to get a vet. Once Reimer comes back, the vet becomes the backup and Scrivens goes down.
I don't think he will either, although IMO it's a mistake to get a vet at all for the reasons I gave in my earlier post.
And if he does bring in a vet, will that guy want to be the backup when Reimer comes back? Unless he's Scott Clemmenson, I don't think so.
Bender said:Tigger said:Bender said:I think Nabokov might make a lot of sense. Do Nabby and Wilson have a decent relationship from their SJ days?
When Burke etc. made the decision to go with Reimer and Goose he was the first one I thought of to be coming up around the 20 game mark should the Leafs need some help. I dunno what the relationship with Wilson is like, if it's any good and the deal is cost effective why not, a one year cap friendly contract for an experienced vet still playing decently, sign me up.
Not entirely sure if/why the Islanders would trade him now though.
True. What's going on with Montoya?
Busta Reims said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup? Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first.
Tigger said:Bender said:Tigger said:Bender said:I think Nabokov might make a lot of sense. Do Nabby and Wilson have a decent relationship from their SJ days?
When Burke etc. made the decision to go with Reimer and Goose he was the first one I thought of to be coming up around the 20 game mark should the Leafs need some help. I dunno what the relationship with Wilson is like, if it's any good and the deal is cost effective why not, a one year cap friendly contract for an experienced vet still playing decently, sign me up.
Not entirely sure if/why the Islanders would trade him now though.
True. What's going on with Montoya?
Nothing official yet I think.
Bender said:What would the reason not be? If goaltending can get this team over the hump and be that much more competitive I'm all for it. They probably won't win the cup but I think they can be competitive, and I think some playoff success could do a world of good for such a young team.
Corn Flake said:Bender said:Bonsixx said:Excellent piece (gasp, I know) by Damien Cox on this so-called parent trap:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1087673--cox-leaf-braintrust-should-stick-to-hockey
Actually, I wasn't particularly a fan of it and found it a rambling diatribe against the Leafs for having a media policy.
Yeah it was a whiny piece and typical of something a media guy would write when they get pushback from a team for doing something a little bit underhanded. His whole "ooooooh but of course they loved it when we wrote about Reimer in the summer and his mom said stuff then" shtick in there was enough for me to stop reading.
... yeah there's a difference between calling a player's mom to find out what he was like as a kid when writing about how he got to where he is vs. calling to get his injury status when the team refuses - like every other NHL team - to disclose in detail exactly how he is doing.
Hey Cox, maybe if you didn't spew drivel about how to run a hockey team then MLSE brass wouldn't spew drivel about how to be a journalist.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Bender said:What would the reason not be? If goaltending can get this team over the hump and be that much more competitive I'm all for it. They probably won't win the cup but I think they can be competitive, and I think some playoff success could do a world of good for such a young team.
To truly and fairly find out whether Gus and/or Scrivens should be in the long-term plans of the team. My whole premise is that the team is not going to contend even if they somehow brought in a topflight goalie.