Reimer Injury

[Madferret]

Guys, with respect, are you watching the same Ben Scrivens that I am?

Dunno. Which Scrivens are you watching?

The one who has been giving the Leafs the same chances as the Monster. I don't see how it could be said the he's "ahead" of the Monster in terms of progression. If it was my call I'd still be going to Gustavsson.

 

[Bender]

Guys, with respect, are you watching the same Ben Scrivens that I am?

Dunno. Which Scrivens are you watching?

The one who has been giving the Leafs the same chances as the Monster. I don't see how it could be said the he's "ahead" of the Monster in terms of progression. If it was my call I'd still be going to Gustavsson.

Scrivens is younger with a better SV% and GAA.

 

[Madferret]

Guys, with respect, are you watching the same Ben Scrivens that I am?

Dunno. Which Scrivens are you watching?

The one who has been giving the Leafs the same chances as the Monster. I don't see how it could be said the he's "ahead" of the Monster in terms of progression. If it was my call I'd still be going to Gustavsson.

Scrivens is younger with a better SV% and GAA.

Scrivens has played 3 less games and faced 80 less shots. He's younger but what does that mean? In terms of goaltending that's actually not a positive...

 

[Redleaf]

Guys, with respect, are you watching the same Ben Scrivens that I am?

Dunno. Which Scrivens are you watching?

The one who has been giving the Leafs the same chances as the Monster. I don't see how it could be said the he's "ahead" of the Monster in terms of progression. If it was my call I'd still be going to Gustavsson.

Which Gustavsson have you been watching? The same one, that after 2 seasons under his belt appears to be getting worse instead of better? Scrivens isn't miles ahead of him, but I would say he's been better than Gus, and has had less time in the NHL to show as much.

 

[Fanatic]

Scrivens has played 3 less games and faced 80 less shots. He's younger but what does that mean? In terms of goaltending that's actually not a positive...

If Gus, at age 27, has peaked in terms of performance and a younger goalie with similar stats can be said to be in the developing stages of his career - then I think in that case younger is better.

 

[Tigger]

Guys, with respect, are you watching the same Ben Scrivens that I am?

Dunno. Which Scrivens are you watching?

The one who has been giving the Leafs the same chances as the Monster. I don't see how it could be said the he's "ahead" of the Monster in terms of progression. If it was my call I'd still be going to Gustavsson.

Me too and I'm not convinced that Wilson really thinks Scrivens gives them a better chance to win necessarily. I could be wrong on that but I think the Monster has had to face tougher teams during the schedule so far.

 

[Madferret]

Both goalies have struggled to put together a 60 minute performance together...what's really the difference in the age going to make? There isn't a determined age where goalies are either determined a flop, plateaued, what-not. If there ever was a position where age is a wash...it's goaltending.

Who is the best goalie in the league right now?

 

[Bender]

Guys, with respect, are you watching the same Ben Scrivens that I am?

Dunno. Which Scrivens are you watching?

The one who has been giving the Leafs the same chances as the Monster. I don't see how it could be said the he's "ahead" of the Monster in terms of progression. If it was my call I'd still be going to Gustavsson.

Scrivens is younger with a better SV% and GAA.

Scrivens has played 3 less games and faced 80 less shots. He's younger but what does that mean? In terms of goaltending that's actually not a positive...

It means why not try the younger goaltender with better overall numbers? It is what it is, the stats are flawed, but Scrivens has played better when he's played well in general.

 

[Redleaf]

Both goalies have struggled to put together a 60 minute performance together...what's really the difference in the age going to make? There isn't a determined age where goalies are either determined a flop, plateaued, what-not. If there ever was a position where age is a wash...it's goaltending.

Who is the best goalie in the league right now?

Age has nothing to do with it. The experienced goaltender should be better than the rookie with only a handful of starts. He's not. That's why they are going with Scrivens. He may be a better goalie by far once he gains some NHL experience.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

who knows what either goalie would have done with the other goalie's starts..but scrivens has already been able to put up a few games where he's given up less than 3 goals...and i always figure no matter how bad they are..if there are only two goals against..you should have a good chance to win

 

[Tigger]

Both goalies have struggled to put together a 60 minute performance together...what's really the difference in the age going to make? There isn't a determined age where goalies are either determined a flop, plateaued, what-not. If there ever was a position where age is a wash...it's goaltending.

Who is the best goalie in the league right now?

Age has nothing to do with it. The experienced goaltender should be better than the rookie with only a handful of starts. He's not. That's why they are going with Scrivens. He may be a better goalie by far once he gains some NHL experience.

Yup, I think Scrivens could be a better goalie too but right now we're partially ignoring his great game against the worst team in the league followed by two subpar performances in a row where he was yanked, then losing 2 of 3.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people are looking to Scrivens and I'm not overly opposed but I think Goose has faced tougher opposition so far.

 

[cw]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

 

[Fanatic]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

So long Gus...... we hardly knew ya.

 

[Tigger]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

Yup, and fair enough. I wonder if a bigger part of the difference is his mental makeup and the ownership of his play? If I had to guess I'd say the Leafs think the team backs him a bit better which could boil down to something as simple as a positive difference in character.

 

[Bender]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

But how off is he? I think he's fairly spot on, and I'm sure this is with consultation with Allaire as well. Scrivens' ability to buckle down after two bad goals, while didn't win the team the game, helped them get the point after bungling the first one (or two!)

 

[L K]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

Not that I think Scriven's shouldn't start but post-game Wilson goes off on Gus for not making saves and not a peep when Scrivens has given up bad goals in 4 of his 6 appearances.  I think there is a bit of a double standard on how each goaltender is being treated after bad outings.

 

[Leafaholic99]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

So long Gus...... we hardly knew ya.

His girlfriend doesn't like to fly, so she has to stay in Toronto !!!

 

[Bender]

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With Burke looking for another goalie, it appears Jonas Gustavsson could eventually drop further down the depth chart.

?Right now, Ben gives us our best chance to win (Nashville) and that?s why he?s playing,? Wilson said. You need mental skills as well as physical skills and he?s showed he?s resilient and that?s why he?s getting another start.?

Whether one agrees with that or not, the guy who makes out the lineup has made that call loud and clear with several starts in the last bunch of games.

Not that I think Scriven's shouldn't start but post-game Wilson goes off on Gus for not making saves and not a peep when Scrivens has given up bad goals in 4 of his 6 appearances.  I think there is a bit of a double standard on how each goaltender is being treated after bad outings.

It is easy to go down into Hell; night and day, the gates of dark Death stand wide; but to climb back again, to retrace one's steps to the upper air - there's the rub, the task. - Virgil

I think this sums up what we saw last night: Scrivens, at the very least, has the ability to buckle down after bad goals. Gus hasn't really shown that almost ever.

 

[ZBBM]

So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Maybe. Maybe not.

If Reimer came back healthy soon and was playing well, I'd play him 9 of every 10 games if I was intent on making the playoffs. And I might send Scrivens down to get a bunch of games in the AHL while Gus rides the pine and might even be piggish enough to bring Scrivens up 1 out of every 10 games if he shows more over the next few games.

I'd like to see how Ben does for the next few games - to see if there's any improvement. No matter what, he's starting to look like he has more of a future than Gus right now and he needs to play.

Neither of them have proven or disproven anything because they haven't played enough games.  My position is that we should give them each a good stretch of starts to get a real fix on who should be the backup.

How people can write off Gustavsson at this point is beyond me.  Well, actually it isn't: people are "guaranteeing" the Gus would have collapsed, that he drags the team's confidence down, that he has a bad attitude ... or, as Wilson seems to believe, that he's not resilient.  In short, people are indulging in the admittedly very pleasant idle pastime of pop psychology.

I point out again that both of them are running at .500 w/l, so their actual impact on the team's fortunes is the same so far.  All the other chatter is just that, chatter.

By all means give Scrivens the next few games.  BUT, then give Gustavsson an equal amount.  Do a comparison after that and make your decision.

 

[Bender]

So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Maybe. Maybe not.

If Reimer came back healthy soon and was playing well, I'd play him 9 of every 10 games if I was intent on making the playoffs. And I might send Scrivens down to get a bunch of games in the AHL while Gus rides the pine and might even be piggish enough to bring Scrivens up 1 out of every 10 games if he shows more over the next few games.

I'd like to see how Ben does for the next few games - to see if there's any improvement. No matter what, he's starting to look like he has more of a future than Gus right now and he needs to play.

Neither of them have proven or disproven anything because they haven't played enough games.  My position is that we should give them each a good stretch of starts to get a real fix on who should be the backup.

How people can write off Gustavsson at this point is beyond me.  Well, actually it isn't: people are "guaranteeing" the Gus would have collapsed, that he drags the team's confidence down, that he has a bad attitude ... or, as Wilson seems to believe, that he's not resilient.  In short, people are indulging in the admittedly very pleasant idle pastime of pop psychology.

I point out again that both of them are running at .500 w/l, so their actual impact on the team's fortunes is the same so far.  All the other chatter is just that, chatter.

By all means give Scrivens the next few games.  BUT, then give Gustavsson an equal amount.  Do a comparison after that and make your decision.

Or you can watch the games. Body language and positioning tell a lot about a goaltender.

How many games has Gustavsson had to show that he doesn't wilt under pressure? It's not like this is his first season.

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And I severely doubt Wilson didn't get a few thoughts from Allaire in making that conclusion.