Steve Stamkos?
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bustaheims
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I'm not a boxing fan or anything, so I can't speak for the technical side of things, but from a pure power perspective, Tyson is generally cited as the hardest punching boxer in the history of the sport.
herman
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Leafs Lunch: Stamkos or Nugent-Hopkins?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/who-s-better-for-the-leafs-stamkos-or-rnh~767240
Siegel would take RNH (22 yr old) @ $6M until 2020-21 in a trade over UFA Stamkos (25 yr old) as the expected 10.5-11ishM for 7 years because of the rebuild timeline of the Leafs and cap considerations with Nylander, Marner, Rielly likely pulling in big money.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/who-s-better-for-the-leafs-stamkos-or-rnh~767240
Siegel would take RNH (22 yr old) @ $6M until 2020-21 in a trade over UFA Stamkos (25 yr old) as the expected 10.5-11ishM for 7 years because of the rebuild timeline of the Leafs and cap considerations with Nylander, Marner, Rielly likely pulling in big money.
L K
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Nik the Trik said:
More along the lines that most elite boxers could get lucky and land that one punch that could knock Ali down...not that they would win a majority of fights. I think just given Tyson's quickness and the force behind his punches that he would be more likely than most to knock Ali out if given the chance.
bustaheims
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herman said:
To answer your question, yes, almost certainly. Also, outside of the extremely remote chance that Edmonton would move RNH straight up for Phaneuf, any trade would have to include at least one piece that the Leafs value as being a significant part of the rebuild - which, to me, makes it a no brainer. Of the two options, signing Stamkos is the far superior one.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
I'm pretty confident in saying that if RNH, Nylander and Marner were part of the same draft class, RNH goes 3rd overall.
azzurri63
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Here's my position on Stamkos or RNH. Personally I didn't like the Oilers taking Ryan first overall as I think they would have been better off taking a defensemen. Larsson hasn't lit the league on fire but he's solid and the Oilers were lacking any D. He also struck me as being fragile. If I had to trade for either then obviously it would depend on who the Leafs would have to give up. Reilly, Marner and Nylander are untouchables as far as I'm concerned. To me it makes more sense for the Leafs to let the season ride out and grab Stamkos for nothing but cash. If they can swindle a deal for RNH involving other Leafs than the 3 I mentioned I would do that to. Reason I disagree with Jonas is this. I have been impressed for the most part at how the Leafs have played this season. To be honest I think they could have a couple more wins if we didn't have trouble scoring at the beginning of the year to go along with poor net minding. I don't think the Leafs are 5 years away. With a signing like Stammer, a good trade or two and another solid pick this year think they could look good in 2-3 years. Look at how Babcock has them playing with a few holes and weaknesses. The guy can coach with a few more additions as in Nylander, Marner and a huge signing like Stamkos for nothing in return would go a long way to making us a very competitive team. That's how I look at it. So for me Stamkos is the way to go because he comes cheap other than salary.
hockeyfan1
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
No, rather, it's Steven Stamkos who's dying to be a Leaf.
Arn
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I would absolutely pick up Stamkos as a free agent if it were a possibility. I more than likely wouldn't trade for him unless it was a very lopsided trade in the Leafs favour.
For those talking about the risk of him not being as elite as he has perhaps shown in the past, or pushing us up the standings next year thus lowering the draft pick, surely there's as much risk that our draft picks this year and next year turn out to be useless anyway?
In all seriousness though, a core of Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Stamkos and this year's probably top 3 pick
With a next level of Gardiner, Komarov, JVR, Sparks, Brown, Kapanen etc
Added to the Babcock effect and Toronto becoming a potentially positive destination I think we're better placed than we maybe thought we were a year ago.
For those talking about the risk of him not being as elite as he has perhaps shown in the past, or pushing us up the standings next year thus lowering the draft pick, surely there's as much risk that our draft picks this year and next year turn out to be useless anyway?
In all seriousness though, a core of Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Stamkos and this year's probably top 3 pick
With a next level of Gardiner, Komarov, JVR, Sparks, Brown, Kapanen etc
Added to the Babcock effect and Toronto becoming a potentially positive destination I think we're better placed than we maybe thought we were a year ago.
Zee
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Arn said:
This. The Leafs aren't in a position that adding a Stamkos makes them a contender. If he's a UFA and they sign him I'm all good. He's still only 26 next July, so not like he's over the hill by any stretch. I wouldn't make a trade for him though, keep all the assets you have. If there's an opportunity to add Stamkos for only money, go for it.
herman
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Just here to feed the hype: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/12/10/9886594/can-the-leafs-afford-steven-stamkos
After a great deal of speculation and theoretical GMing:
If we move 2 of Kadri/Gardiner/JvR at this upcoming deadline, then Stamkos is even more of a no-brainer acquisition. I think JvR goes for sure, what with his NMC kicking in next year, and his peak years lining up against our rebuild years. I think Gardiner has the highest chance of staying as he plays a position we don't have much beyond Rielly and potentially Dermott. Kadri will have a crazy thread devoted to his contract conversation near the deadline and draft if he makes it that far.
Moving Bozak/Lupul/Phaneuf would be coups even with very modest returns coming back. We can eat shorter term higher cap hits this year easily.
I think Pridham can make it work. I don't think Stamkos will even be allowed to entertain a hometown discount possibility, as like David Price, the Players Association will be pressuring him to set the market.
After a great deal of speculation and theoretical GMing:
If we move 2 of Kadri/Gardiner/JvR at this upcoming deadline, then Stamkos is even more of a no-brainer acquisition. I think JvR goes for sure, what with his NMC kicking in next year, and his peak years lining up against our rebuild years. I think Gardiner has the highest chance of staying as he plays a position we don't have much beyond Rielly and potentially Dermott. Kadri will have a crazy thread devoted to his contract conversation near the deadline and draft if he makes it that far.
Moving Bozak/Lupul/Phaneuf would be coups even with very modest returns coming back. We can eat shorter term higher cap hits this year easily.
I think Pridham can make it work. I don't think Stamkos will even be allowed to entertain a hometown discount possibility, as like David Price, the Players Association will be pressuring him to set the market.
Frank E
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herman said:
I have a few issues with this article, not the least of which is the fact the he's saying that the Leafs will have Kadri at $6mil (!), Nylander at $7.5mil, and Marner playing his way to a $7.5mil contract...all in 2018.
Also, as far as the PA pressure, Crosby signs a $8.7m deal (forever, mind you), so I don't think they have anything to say to Stamkos signing for $9m X 7.
Kin
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Frank E said:
You can't just gloss over the difference between signing the 104 million dollar deal Crosby did and the 63 million dollar deal you'd be talking about. When there was unlimited term players seemed to generally be willing to sacrifice on AAV if it got them the upfront payments they wanted. Now that the only thing to be negotiated is AAV, the PA is going to look at contracts differently.
The first 8 years of Sid's deal is for an average of $10.8mil.
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