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Steve Stamkos?

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herman said:
Brain Lawton (former TBL-GM) joined TSN 1050 this morning to reiterate that he thinks Stamkos is going to be very compelled by the idea of playing at home.

At this point that's basically the only thing that makes Brian Lawton relevant anymore though. They didn't bring him on the show to talk about the draft.
 
herman said:
Brain Lawton (former TBL-GM) joined TSN 1050 this morning to reiterate that he thinks Stamkos is going to be very compelled by the idea of playing at home.

Which is still probably based on conversations he had with Stamkos 5 or so years ago.
 
bustaheims said:
herman said:
Brain Lawton (former TBL-GM) joined TSN 1050 this morning to reiterate that he thinks Stamkos is going to be very compelled by the idea of playing at home.

Which is still probably based on conversations he had with Stamkos 5 or so years ago.

Which is intriguing in itself.  Why did he only re-up for 5 years?  Young ELC Rocket Richard winners would see the team that drafted them, lock them up max term one would think, not see them hit free agency in their mid-twenties.
 
TBLeafer said:
bustaheims said:
herman said:
Brain Lawton (former TBL-GM) joined TSN 1050 this morning to reiterate that he thinks Stamkos is going to be very compelled by the idea of playing at home.

Which is still probably based on conversations he had with Stamkos 5 or so years ago.

Which is intriguing in itself.  Why did he only re-up for 5 years?  Young ELC Rocket Richard winners would see the team that drafted them, lock them up max term one would think, not see them hit free agency in their mid-twenties.

There wasn't a max term 5 years ago.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TBLeafer said:
bustaheims said:
herman said:
Brain Lawton (former TBL-GM) joined TSN 1050 this morning to reiterate that he thinks Stamkos is going to be very compelled by the idea of playing at home.

Which is still probably based on conversations he had with Stamkos 5 or so years ago.

Which is intriguing in itself.  Why did he only re-up for 5 years?  Young ELC Rocket Richard winners would see the team that drafted them, lock them up max term one would think, not see them hit free agency in their mid-twenties.

There wasn't a max term 5 years ago.

Thanks, I forgot that.  Even more intriguing, no?

My guess is that Stamkos is the reason Stamkos didn't get the Crosby/Ovechkin treatment.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TBLeafer said:
Even more intriguing, no?

Not really. It could just as easily be a calculated risk to maximize earnings. Kane and Toews did more or less the same thing.

Stamkos, Toews, Kane, Crosby, Seguin, and Tavares all signed their 2nd contracts with a length of 5 or 6 years.

edit: Perry and Getzlaf too were at 5 years.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Stamkos, Toews, Kane, Crosby, Seguin, and Tavares all signed their 2nd contracts with a length of 5 or 6 years.

edit: Perry and Getzlaf too were at 5 years.

At the time when Stamkos signed that contract, 5 or 6 years was basically the standard. It allows teams to lock players up through a good portion of their prime production seasons, while allowing the player to maximize his earning potential. Mega-term contracts really only came into play for UFAs/pending UFAs.
 
bustaheims said:
At the time when Stamkos signed that contract, 5 or 6 years was basically the standard. It allows teams to lock players up through a good portion of their prime production seasons, while allowing the player to maximize his earning potential. Mega-term contracts really only came into play for UFAs/pending UFAs.

And in other instances, I think agents quickly realized those long term deals weren't great for their clients. How much money did Jeff Carter cost himself with his deal? Or Duncan Keith with his?
 
Nik the Trik said:
And in other instances, I think agents quickly realized those long term deals weren't great for their clients. How much money did Jeff Carter cost himself with his deal? Or Duncan Keith with his?

Yeah. It made sense for UFAs - they likely weren't going to get another huge money deal after the contract they were signing that summer, but, for guys coming off their ELCs or bridge deals? Signing a 10-12 year deal meant leaving some serious money on the table.
 
Really, the most unusual or interesting thing about Stamkos is that he's going to make it to free agency at all. That said, that seems to largely be a product of two things:

1. Tampa is largely convinced they can be competitive without him(which never would have been the case with Crosby or Toews).

2. As a result of #1, Tampa's offer figures to be significantly less than what he can get on the open market.
 
TBLeafer said:
Yeah I don't think Ovechkin suffered any in 2008 over the amount he got to capitalize on for his contract.

That's probably debatable. The maximum salary that Ovi will earn in a single season in his contract is $10mil. Crosby, Toews, and Kane all have multiple years where they earn $12mil+. Even in Zach Parise's now-illegal contract he had 3 seasons where he earned $11mil+.
 
Yeah, there's a legitimate chance even Ovechkin's contract will cost him 10-20 million dollars over its course.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, there's a legitimate chance even Ovechkin's contract will cost him 10-20 million dollars over its course.

Agreed. He could easily be on a 8 year contract at $12M per right now.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
TBLeafer said:
Yeah I don't think Ovechkin suffered any in 2008 over the amount he got to capitalize on for his contract.

That's probably debatable. The maximum salary that Ovi will earn in a single season in his contract is $10mil. Crosby, Toews, and Kane all have multiple years where they earn $12mil+. Even in Zach Parise's now-illegal contract he had 3 seasons where he earned $11mil+.

Which to me means the Caps made a smart move in actual salary per year for a top NHL talent, but when you are guaranteed the highest overall money in the history of the league at the time, The first contract signed to over $100 000 000 in the NHL, I don't think you're worried too much about your actual yearly salary in this season or that season.
 
TBLeafer said:
Which to me means the Caps made a smart move in actual salary per year for a top NHL talent, but when you are guaranteed the highest overall money in the history of the league at the time, The first contract signed to over $100 000 000 in the NHL, I don't think you're worried too much about your actual yearly salary in this season or that season.

Whether or not Ovechkin cares about maximizing his career earnings isn't the issue. You asked why an elite level player might want to sign a 5 year deal for their first post-ELC contract. The answer is pretty clear. It's almost certainly going to be the most lucrative option.
 
Nik the Trik said:
TBLeafer said:
Which to me means the Caps made a smart move in actual salary per year for a top NHL talent, but when you are guaranteed the highest overall money in the history of the league at the time, The first contract signed to over $100 000 000 in the NHL, I don't think you're worried too much about your actual yearly salary in this season or that season.

Whether or not Ovechkin cares about maximizing his career earnings isn't the issue. You asked why an elite level player might want to sign a 5 year deal for their first post-ELC contract. The answer is pretty clear. It's almost certainly going to be the most lucrative option.

Possibly before the latest CBA, but definitely not after.  20/20 hindsight now that an 8 year term is the max, The most overall money over term those players would have had the ability to capitalize on.  How long is it going to be before another NHL'er under current cap can sign a $124M contract?

Towes - 2 contracts $31 500 000 + 84 000 000 = $115 500 000 over 13 years.  Less than Ovechkin between the two for example.  Towes will NOT get another contract close to that in his mid thirties.

That 13 years is also the same term as Ovechkin's 13 year contract.

Who got paid more over 13 years after their ELC?
 
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