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Boston Leaf said:
TML fan said:
Do the Kings have the cap space to take on Phaneuf without the Leafs taking Richards in return?

not currently

Not sure what the deal is, but I suggested Phaneuf for Richards and LA's first, a while back. The cap room shouldn't be an issue for the Leafs if they are cleaning house anyways.  How much comes off the books when Santo and Winnick are gone? Franson?

Don't forget that LA's first is still in lottery ticket territory. Can you image if the Leafs make this deal for Phaneuf, and LA's pick wins the lottery? That's McDavid, and another top 5 pick (guessing) in a deep draft for a rebuilding Leafs team.
 
RedLeaf said:
Boston Leaf said:
TML fan said:
Do the Kings have the cap space to take on Phaneuf without the Leafs taking Richards in return?

not currently

Not sure what the deal is, but I suggested Phaneuf for Richards and LA's first, a while back. The cap room shouldn't be an issue for the Leafs if they are cleaning house anyways.  How much comes off the books when Santo and Winnick are gone? Franson?

Don't forget that LA's first is still in lottery ticket territory. Can you image if the Leafs make this deal for Phaneuf, and LA's pick wins the lottery? That's McDavid, and another top 5 pick (guessing) in a deep draft for a rebuilding Leafs team.

LA isn't giving up their first this year in a deal for Phaneuf.
 
Andy007 said:
RedLeaf said:
Boston Leaf said:
TML fan said:
Do the Kings have the cap space to take on Phaneuf without the Leafs taking Richards in return?

not currently

Not sure what the deal is, but I suggested Phaneuf for Richards and LA's first, a while back. The cap room shouldn't be an issue for the Leafs if they are cleaning house anyways.  How much comes off the books when Santo and Winnick are gone? Franson?

Don't forget that LA's first is still in lottery ticket territory. Can you image if the Leafs make this deal for Phaneuf, and LA's pick wins the lottery? That's McDavid, and another top 5 pick (guessing) in a deep draft for a rebuilding Leafs team.

LA isn't giving up their first this year in a deal for Phaneuf.

Depends on how much they want to rid themselves of Richards contract, I guess.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Andy007 said:
LA isn't giving up their first this year in a deal for Phaneuf.

Which is probably the best argument for waiting to trade Phaneuf at the draft.

I would imagine Phaneuf's value being lower at the draft. That price tag might put off a lot of teams who probably want Phaneuf for their 2nd pairing.
 
TML fan said:
I would imagine Phaneuf's value being lower at the draft. That price tag might put off a lot of teams who probably want Phaneuf for their 2nd pairing.

I doubt it. If a team wants Phaneuf now then they're trading for him knowing what's left on his contract so it's not really a cap issue. If anything, the off-season overage allowance and marginally higher cap will probably allow some teams that wouldn't be interested right now make an offer. I think Phaneuf probably has a higher value to a mid-range to lower tier club looking to take a step forward than he does to a team looking to make a playoff run and those teams don't really look to add at the deadline.
 
RedLeaf said:
Not sure what the deal is, but I suggested Phaneuf for Richards and LA's first, a while back. The cap room shouldn't be an issue for the Leafs if they are cleaning house anyways.  How much comes off the books when Santo and Winnick are gone? Franson?

They would then have Clarkson for five more years at $5.25M and Richards for five more years at $5.75M. $11M is a lot of money on the 4th line (or maybe AHL.)
 
Bullfrog said:
RedLeaf said:
Not sure what the deal is, but I suggested Phaneuf for Richards and LA's first, a while back. The cap room shouldn't be an issue for the Leafs if they are cleaning house anyways.  How much comes off the books when Santo and Winnick are gone? Franson?

They would then have Clarkson for five more years at $5.25M and Richards for five more years at $5.75M. $11M is a lot of money on the 4th line (or maybe AHL.)

The five years would be good timing while your waiting for the draft picks to mature. The dollars going to these two probably keeps them above the cap floor in the meantime. Of course this only makes sense if they are planning a real tear down.
 
Big games today between Ottawa and Carolina, as well as Edmonton at Winnipeg.  A chance for Toronto to pull within 8 points of second last, and to move within 4 points of the 3rd pick!  Fuel up the tank!
 
RedLeaf said:
The five years would be good timing while your waiting for the draft picks to mature. The dollars going to these two probably keeps them above the cap floor in the meantime. Of course this only makes sense if they are planning a real tear down.

Keeping above the floor really won't be a concern unless the Leafs try to trade every single player on their roster which they won't do. Figure that they're going to almost certainly be keeping:

Gardiner 4.2
Kadri 3.5-4 or so
Clarkson 5.25
Rielly (???)

So assuming that Rielly makes...3.5 on his first non-rookie deal and you're already looking at 16 million on 4 players. If you figure on relatively untradeable vets like Robidas sticking around you're already at a point where even just filling out the roster with bargain basement clutter will get a team to the cap floor. They certainly don't need to take back terrible contracts to make that happen.

The way to get a team to the floor in a rebuild is to go out and look for guys like Santorelli, useful pieces, and maybe overpay them by 500K or so on short-term deals. That way you can perpetually cycle them for assets.
 
LuncheonMeat said:
Big games today between Ottawa and Carolina, as well as Edmonton at Winnipeg.  A chance for Toronto to pull within 8 points of second last, and to move within 4 points of the 3rd pick!  Fuel up the tank!

3rd has to be the target...LOL.. just get Carolina and the Coyotes going....
 
caveman said:
LuncheonMeat said:
Big games today between Ottawa and Carolina, as well as Edmonton at Winnipeg.  A chance for Toronto to pull within 8 points of second last, and to move within 4 points of the 3rd pick!  Fuel up the tank!

3rd has to be the target...LOL.. just get Carolina and the Coyotes going....

Those games are tomorrow.
 
moon111 said:
Clarkson for Richards.

This is the only deal I'd do for Richards. Richards has the same amount of points as Clarkson does, both need a change in scenery. The Phaneuf talk is just crazy stuff from my perspective unless L.A is adding incentives along with Richards but even then, do you want both Mike Richards & David Clarkson sucking up cap room/roster spots & underachieving on a re-building team? Do you want to have the most expensive 4th line in the NHL just to get a prospect or draft pick? Not me.
 
wnc096 said:
If the team isn't going to be competitive for 5 years...what difference does it make?

You don't want to surround your good, young and impressionable players with overpaid, frustrated players who would rather be elsewhere.
 
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