Tank Nation UNITE!!!

[bustaheims]

We can't afford any more wins, feel-good or otherwise.

I'm talking about 6 wins in their final 26 games. That would put the team at 62 point on the season. More than good enough to get a top 3 pick, possibly a top 2 pick.

 

[Redleaf]

If Cody Franson can put his value on the line in the name of the Tank then you guys can stand losing to teams you don't like.

Where's the 'like' button. Oh wait that's a different site. I'd be happy to lose every game from here on in, if it gives us a better chance at winning that damn lottery!

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

We can't afford any more wins, feel-good or otherwise.

I'm talking about 6 wins in their final 26 games. That would put the team at 62 point on the season. More than good enough to get a top 3 pick, possibly a top 2 pick.

Anything above 3 wins is a total disaster.

 

[bustaheims]

We can't afford any more wins, feel-good or otherwise.

I'm talking about 6 wins in their final 26 games. That would put the team at 62 point on the season. More than good enough to get a top 3 pick, possibly a top 2 pick.

Anything above 3 wins is a total disaster.

Well, now you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. I know that's par for the course for us Leafs fans, but, still . . .

 

[LuncheonMeat]

We can't afford any more wins, feel-good or otherwise.

I'm talking about 6 wins in their final 26 games. That would put the team at 62 point on the season. More than good enough to get a top 3 pick, possibly a top 2 pick.

Anything above 3 wins is a total disaster.

My magic number is 5, as in any more wins than 5 before the end of the season is unacceptable!

BTW, Tank Nation, don't say I never give you anything!!!  8)  I found this in the Star mailbag this morning.  It's a website that allows you to throw a Leaf jersey on the ice.  You can pick the team, and then the player number you want.  You get cheers, boos, music... and the site tells you how many times that jersey has been thrown on the ice.  I helped pad Clarkson's stats (at least one of his stats is impressive). 

http://saveajersey.com/?v=loggedpage

 

[Fanatic]

Look - I'm all for this high draft pick thing - but I really don't want the leafs to lose to montreal. At least beat them in their own building and then continue to lose after that.

Even if that win eventually means the difference between having the 5th pick instead of the 3rd pick overall?

 

[Highlander]

Knowing the Loafs, they will suddenly wake up to Horachecks message and go on a 10 game win streak and pick 14th overall. That was last nights nightmare.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I wonder if they had the 3rd or 4th pick if they'd entertain moving down to add another draft pick or prospect?

Maybe trade the 4th for the 6th and something substantial?

It'll depend which teams have players ranked at certain spots of course, but if the guy they want is going to be available later, I'd entertain the idea.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I wonder if they had the 3rd or 4th pick if they'd entertain moving down to add another draft pick or prospect?

Maybe trade the 4th for the 6th and something substantial?

It'll depend which teams have players ranked at certain spots of course, but if the guy they want is going to be available later, I'd entertain the idea.

At 4? Not a chance. You take Strome and run far, far away. This teams been looking for a big and talented centre like him since Sundin left (not comparing the two). Absolutely can't pass on him.

 

[moon111]

The Leafs have less then a 1% chance of making the playoffs.  Now is the time to sit players, big name players.  #1. Because they didn't get it done.  #2.  Hopefully the team would lose more.

I really hope Montreal slaughters them.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I wonder if they had the 3rd or 4th pick if they'd entertain moving down to add another draft pick or prospect?

Maybe trade the 4th for the 6th and something substantial?

It'll depend which teams have players ranked at certain spots of course, but if the guy they want is going to be available later, I'd entertain the idea.

At 4? Not a chance. You take Strome and run far, far away. This teams been looking for a big and talented centre like him since Sundin left (not comparing the two). Absolutely can't pass on him.

I mean sure, but as we've seen in recent drafts, some guys can slip a few or more spots from the generally accepted rankings.

The Leafs have the 4th, they speak to 5th and 6th and neither have Strome as one of the two top ranked players on their list of remaining players, but 5th and 6th want the same guy, don't you go to 6th and offer to let them move to 4th to get their guy so you can add another asset and still get yours?

 

[Joe S.]

Look - I'm all for this high draft pick thing - but I really don't want the leafs to lose to montreal. At least beat them in their own building and then continue to lose after that.

Even if that win eventually means the difference between having the 5th pick instead of the 3rd pick overall?

You ask as if I have any influence or control over the matter.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I mean sure, but as we've seen in recent drafts, some guys can slip a few or more spots from the generally accepted rankings.

The Leafs have the 4th, they speak to 5th and 6th and neither have Strome as one of the two top ranked players on their list of remaining players, but 5th and 6th want the same guy, don't you go to 6th and offer to let them move to 4th to get their guy so you can add another asset and still get yours?

I'm not sure how likely a situation like that would play out, especially with GMs being so open about their lists and all that. Still, I honestly don't think I'd take the risk. Take the guy you desperately need and be happy.

 

[Highlander]

Failing McDavid or Eischel, Strome is our man.. I dont feel great about Boston U D men. Look at Gilroy a few years back, they were touting him as the next coming of Christ and he is just OK (or was, don't know if he is still playing)

 

[Bender]

Just to talk about the prospects for a second, why is Lawson Crouse rated so highly? Is this another Tyler Biggs style player??

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Just to talk about the prospects for a second, why is Lawson Crouse rated so highly? Is this another Tyler Biggs style player??

Corey Pronman actually wrote an article about Crouse today explaining his stance on him:

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nhl-draft/post/_/id/709/why-lawson-crouse-is-a-top-10-prospect

It's insider-only, but I'll post a couple of paragraphs:

Crouse has many positives to his game other than ?size.? He skates well in general, and very well for a big man. The same can be said for his puck skills, even if he?s not a dynamic offensive player. He?s a very advanced two-way thinker, who is one of the best defensive forwards available in this year?s draft class. And yes, he has an elite physical game as well due to his size, strength, work ethic and physicality that allows him to win a lot of battles.

...

In the case of Crouse, the scouting analysis shows us that we have a winger whose skating and puck skills are good (but not great), is great defensively, has high-end hockey sense and has an elite physical game. That combination of skills projects a reasonable ceiling of that player being an above-average scoring NHLer, who clearly isn?t top-line caliber in scoring, but plays very well versus the opponent?s best forwards, and can be one of a team?s top penalty killers. If that outcome is realized, this is a very valuable asset for any NHL team, and certainly any of the teams looking to be picking in the top 10 of this year's draft.

Basically his lack of offense is discouraging but the rest of his game is really, really good. Pronman has Crouse ranked 10th in the draft, which I think is fair. It's the people that have him 4th or 5th that are kind of crazy.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Just to talk about the prospects for a second, why is Lawson Crouse rated so highly? Is this another Tyler Biggs style player??

Corey Pronman actually wrote an article about Crouse today explaining his stance on him:

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nhl-draft/post/_/id/709/why-lawson-crouse-is-a-top-10-prospect

It's insider-only, but I'll post a couple of paragraphs:

Crouse has many positives to his game other than ?size.? He skates well in general, and very well for a big man. The same can be said for his puck skills, even if he?s not a dynamic offensive player. He?s a very advanced two-way thinker, who is one of the best defensive forwards available in this year?s draft class. And yes, he has an elite physical game as well due to his size, strength, work ethic and physicality that allows him to win a lot of battles.

...

In the case of Crouse, the scouting analysis shows us that we have a winger whose skating and puck skills are good (but not great), is great defensively, has high-end hockey sense and has an elite physical game. That combination of skills projects a reasonable ceiling of that player being an above-average scoring NHLer, who clearly isn?t top-line caliber in scoring, but plays very well versus the opponent?s best forwards, and can be one of a team?s top penalty killers. If that outcome is realized, this is a very valuable asset for any NHL team, and certainly any of the teams looking to be picking in the top 10 of this year's draft.

Basically his lack of offense is discouraging but the rest of his game is really, really good. Pronman has Crouse ranked 10th in the draft, which I think is fair. It's the people that have him 4th or 5th that are kind of crazy.

I think it's best to view him as basically a winger version of Jordan Staal.  Staal didn't wow with his points in his draft year but still went 2nd overall (in a weaker class).  Crouse is probably a good example of the times where it pays to dig deeper than the stats.  Might not be the biggest offensive producer, but whoever ends up with him might end up getting more value from him than some other big pts producers in the long-run.

 

[Kin]

Failing McDavid or Eischel, Strome is our man.. I dont feel great about Boston U D men. Look at Gilroy a few years back, they were touting him as the next coming of Christ and he is just OK (or was, don't know if he is still playing)

And you think that reflects on the school...how? Players from every school and junior team have been misjudged. Kevin Shattenkirk was a BU defenseman and he's pretty good.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Failing McDavid or Eischel, Strome is our man.. I dont feel great about Boston U D men. Look at Gilroy a few years back, they were touting him as the next coming of Christ and he is just OK (or was, don't know if he is still playing)

And you think that reflects on the school...how? Players from every school and junior team have been misjudged. Kevin Shattenkirk was a BU defenseman and he's pretty good.

Not to mention the fact that Gilroy was 24 when he was getting hyped up.

 

[Kin]

Not to mention the fact that Gilroy was 24 when he was getting hyped up.

Well yeah. Thanks to Brian "Signing Christian Hanson is like a 1st round pick!" Burke and the occasional success story the hockey world did go through a phase of overvaluing undrafted college free agents like crazy but that didn't really reflect on any one school. We made big deals about Gus and Jussi Rynnas too but nobody is going to "not feel great" about Scandinavian goalies on that basis.