The 2014 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

[Peter D.]

Can't believe it's already been a quarter of a century that the SkyDome has been open.  I still remember like yesterday, that summer of '89 with my summer school class, taking a boat ride on Lake Ontario enamoured by this new structure in the city's background and later that day running on the field and crashing into the wall. 

Also brings back memories of the number of shops along the SkyWalk, which are now all gone.  My favourite being Rookies, the card shop.  I still have my Domer hand puppet.

Unlike many others, I have always liked that concrete clunker.

 

[draeko17]

What a game by Hutchison today.  Good bounce back for him.  Too bad he doesn't get the win.  But more of the same from Casey Janssen.  So good. Nice win over* the Tigers

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[L K]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

 

[bustaheims]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

He's been pretty inconsistent since coming off the DL last season - which is really too bad, because he was excellent before he got hurt.

Pretty much everyone in the bullpen has had stretches of inconsistency, though, so, I'm not going to write him off just yet.

 

[Frank E]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

He's been pretty inconsistent since coming off the DL last season - which is really too bad, because he was excellent before he got hurt.

Pretty much everyone in the bullpen has had stretches of inconsistency, though, so, I'm not going to write him off just yet.

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

 

[Deebo]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

He's been pretty inconsistent since coming off the DL last season - which is really too bad, because he was excellent before he got hurt.

Pretty much everyone in the bullpen has had stretches of inconsistency, though, so, I'm not going to write him off just yet.

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

5 run lead as opposed to 2 run lead.

Putting Delabar in keeps Janssen better rested for a potential SV situation the next night.

 

[Frank E]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

He's been pretty inconsistent since coming off the DL last season - which is really too bad, because he was excellent before he got hurt.

Pretty much everyone in the bullpen has had stretches of inconsistency, though, so, I'm not going to write him off just yet.

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

5 run lead as opposed to 2 run lead.

Putting Delabar in keeps Janssen better rested for a potential SV situation the next night.

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[Corn Flake]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

He's been pretty inconsistent since coming off the DL last season - which is really too bad, because he was excellent before he got hurt.

Pretty much everyone in the bullpen has had stretches of inconsistency, though, so, I'm not going to write him off just yet.

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

5 run lead as opposed to 2 run lead.

Putting Delabar in keeps Janssen better rested for a potential SV situation the next night.

I think the right decision would have been to let McGowan go back out for the 9th.  He only threw 8 pitches in the 8th. 

To me this is Gibbons doing his usual over-managing of the bullpen thing.  He ended up using 3 relievers instead of 1 because he couldn't just let McGowan go back in.  Continuously going to Delebar confuses me, especially since he's been so wonky.

Delebar looks like he needs a week off. 

 

[dappleganger]

Brett Lawrie is batting .159 when no one is on base.

He is batting .385 with runners in scoring position.

I thought that was an interesting stat.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Delabar looks done right now.  I don't trust him on the mound.

He's been pretty inconsistent since coming off the DL last season - which is really too bad, because he was excellent before he got hurt.

Pretty much everyone in the bullpen has had stretches of inconsistency, though, so, I'm not going to write him off just yet.

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

5 run lead as opposed to 2 run lead.

Putting Delabar in keeps Janssen better rested for a potential SV situation the next night.

I think the right decision would have been to let McGowan go back out for the 9th.  He only threw 8 pitches in the 8th. 

To me this is Gibbons doing his usual over-managing of the bullpen thing.  He ended up using 3 relievers instead of 1 because he couldn't just let McGowan go back in.  Continuously going to Delebar confuses me, especially since he's been so wonky.

Delebar looks like he needs a week off.

Probably just wanted to get Delabar some work.  5 run lead, hadn't pitched since May 29 and hadn't pitched much before that either.  Meanwhile McGowan's already got 40+ innings this season, and if Delabar runs into trouble you had Janssen already warming up when it was a save situation.

I didn't have a problem with it.

 

[Kin]

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

Because modern managers use their bullpens like dopes and care about stupid things like "save situations".

 

[Frank E]

He made me nervous...forgive my ignorance if this is a silly question, but Janssen was warming up previous to Delabar going in...what is the reasoning behind putting in Delabar instead of Janssen at that point?

Because modern managers use their bullpens like dopes and care about stupid things like "save situations".

Please elaborate?

 

[Kin]

Please elaborate?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/2012/05/09/does_baseball_really_need_closers.html

 

[dappleganger]

Back when the Jays had Duane Ward and Tom Henke it was great. Ward would work the eighth as the set up man and Henke would close it out.

They got days off when the Jays were losing and worked almost every winning situation.

Once it got past the 7th the game was over.

 

[Frank E]

Please elaborate?

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/2012/05/09/does_baseball_really_need_closers.html

Thanks Nik.  I understand that some suggest that they want to keep Janssen rested, but seriously, he only pitches one inning.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Thanks Nik.  I understand that some suggest that they want to keep Janssen rested, but seriously, he only pitches one inning.

Well I think if you view Janssen as the guy you want in there for the most high-leverage situations, and that you don't want a reliever pitching on back-to-back-to-back days, once it became a 5-run lead it makes sense to hold Janssen off because you might need him for a bigger situation in one of the next 2 games.  That's how I see it anyways.

 

[Corn Flake]

Thanks Nik.  I understand that some suggest that they want to keep Janssen rested, but seriously, he only pitches one inning.

Well I think if you view Janssen as the guy you want in there for the most high-leverage situations, and that you don't want a reliever pitching on back-to-back-to-back days, once it became a 5-run lead it makes sense to hold Janssen off because you might need him for a bigger situation in one of the next 2 games.  That's how I see it anyways.

Yup and chances are, if the Jays are up in the 9th in the next few games, it will be situations where you want Janssen to be available.

 

[Kin]

Yup and chances are, if the Jays are up in the 9th in the next few games, it will be situations where you want Janssen to be available.

That strikes me as a better argument for not using Janssen at all last night with a 2 run lead, nobody on base and only one out to go. If you're worried about his availability all three games then you'd save him for actual high leverage situations which last night never was.

 

[Corn Flake]

Back when the Jays had Duane Ward and Tom Henke it was great. Ward would work the eighth as the set up man and Henke would close it out.

They got days off when the Jays were losing and worked almost every winning situation.

Once it got past the 7th the game was over.

I think the hope was Santos was going to become the setup guy for Janssen, but Santos is terrible and always hurt.

The Delebar/Cecil combo was kind of taking that role but they have not been as effective this year as they were last year. 

I wonder if McGowan is going to elevate to that role at some point. 

 

[Corn Flake]

Yup and chances are, if the Jays are up in the 9th in the next few games, it will be situations where you want Janssen to be available.

That strikes me as a better argument for not using Janssen at all last night with a 2 run lead, nobody on base and only one out to go. If you're worried about his availability all three games then you'd save him for actual high leverage situations which last night never was.

Well yeah, that too.  In a round about way I was trying to get to that same point, but more focused on the decision that led to ending up using Janssen then bringing him in at all.  I'm sure another pitcher could have come in for that final out, although the fact he only threw 3 pitches likely means he's going to be available for the next 2.